Posted on 02/17/2016 9:53:55 PM PST by TroutStalker
Last month, some of President Obama's top intelligence advisers met in Silicon Valley with Apple's chief, Timothy D. Cook, and other technology leaders in what seemed to be a public rapprochement in their long-running dispute over the encryption safeguards built into their devices.
But behind the scenes, relations were tense, as lawyers for the Obama administration and Apple held closely guarded discussions for over two months about one particularly urgent case: The F.B.I. wanted Apple to help "unlock" an iPhone used by one of the two attackers who killed 14 people in San Bernardino, Calif., in December, but Apple was resisting.
When the talks collapsed, a federal magistrate judge, at the Justice Department's request, ordered Apple to bypass security functions on the phone. The order set off a furious public battle on Wednesday between the Obama administration and one of the world's most valuable companies in a dispute with far-reaching legal implications.
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Yes. The other guys have an anti-apple agenda on any issue with apple.
Their friends are muslims ... wanna put a quick like halt to this stuff? Pick a muslim at random and skin alive ... works real well just ask the Turks if you need pointers.
I have a question...... If I forget the password to my iPhone is there not a way I can retrieve it, or am I locked out forever?
“Trump and his followers may be many things, but they are not conservatives nor constitutionalists.”
Amen to that !
What the feds are asking for will give them access to everyone’s phone, not just the terrorists.
So Apple standing up for 4th amm rights is no different than the NRA fighting for 2nd amm rights in this case.
70 times before on different technology.
70 times before that did not put EVERYONE’s data at risk.
Yes. Here’s a link to the order:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2714001-SB-Shooter-Order-Compelling-Apple-Asst-iPhone.html
Even though the order (which is not actually a warrant) indicates over and over “subject device”, the technology developed would allow access to all phones.
Different technology.
Because people are not trusting the spying habits of the govt. They believe that, though that may be useful in helping them get a terrorist, they also believe that such tools will be ultimately be used against them in a tyrannical act.
Apple is unable to “unlock” the encryption. They are being asked to develop a new iOS. This would allow the gov to spy on everyone’s iPhone, which they currently can’t do. Gov doesn’t like that.
On the other side of the fence are those that believe this gov action will only impact this particular terrorist investigation, or just believe that gov should have the tools to do this type of surveillance in the name of safety.
To me, surrendering the ability the keep the gov from searching my stuff is just as important as surrendering the ability to bear arms, all in the name of “safety”.
Governments have killed far more civilians than criminals and terrorists have.
Yes, if you have one of the new ones.
The “password” is a 4-digit number. Enter 10 times incorrectly and data is erased.
OK, so Apple does this for the US government. Then every other national government, good or bad, will want it too. Apple won’t give it to them? Then, they get kicked out of the country. I’m not a fanboy, but this is simply not fair. On top of that, the NYC police want a copy, “to fight terrorists”.
Then, the government wants a backdoor on ALL encryption. I assure you, that this will be the end of US exports of high-tech equipment, software, and services. Wasn’t this EXACTLY what we were accusing the Chinese of doing a few years ago when mysteriously all talk of that disappeared?
If you think that taxes chase high-tech companies away from the US, that will finish the job.
I call complete, absolute, and total bullsh$% on that the government can’t crack that phone. If the NSA has it physically, I absolutely guarantee that they can - it will just cost a lot of money and take a lot of effort to do it. And, it SHOULD cost a lot of money and take a lot of effort, which will make such a thing rare.
I can’t believe the garbage on Fox last night from “experts” (apparently, experts = lawyers).
“Good grief. I though Obama was the biggest threat to the Constitution.”
The Republicans demonstrated yesterday that they are cut from exactly the same cloth. Calling Dr. Paul...
“The “password†is a 4-digit number. Enter 10 times incorrectly and data is erased.”
On this particular phone, I’d be willing to gamble three tries on:
0072
7272
0144
The Judge is saying unlock one phone.
Apple is conflating the issue to be about all phones.
Fact: The USA has been very, very good to Apple.
Opinion: Apple should unlock the single phone.
Future: Apple and the FBI should develop a policy to unlock future phones in specific circumstances. Apple shouldn’t give the FBI the ability to unlock any phone and the FBI shouldn’t ask them to do do. Not all cases are Radical Muslim Terrorism.
Does itunes not keep a record of the passcode when you sync it to a computer? Surely there is a way to retrieve somehow? What a mean prank. Grab your ex’s phone that you know the passcode to and then change it. They are screwed according to Apple.
Something doesn’t seem right here. Either Apple has the world’s greatest security or the NSA is not what we have been led to believe. TV and movies have taught me that the NSA can hack into anything. I see it on CSI every week.
The apple id and passcode for itunes are different.
Here’s a link concerning how this works.
http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/10/why-cant-apple-decrypt-your-iphone.html
itunes won’t keep an actual passcode on file. The authentication is a program that takes the passcode as an input, and the result is either valid or not.
Apple’s security is not necessarily the world’s greatest. NSA et al can get into things either through back doors, decrypting w/known algorithms, or basically brute force which is just trying every possible passcode.
So there is no algorithm currently available for apples particular encryption, there is no back door, and built into the iOS is a feature that deletes data on 10 failed passcode attempts.
Specifically, the FBI wants us to make a new version of the iPhone operating system, circumventing several important security features, and install it on an iPhone recovered during the investigation. In the wrong hands, this software  which does not exist today  would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone’s physical possession.
The FBI may use different words to describe this tool, but make no mistake: Building a version of iOS that bypasses security in this way would undeniably create a backdoor. And while the government may argue that its use would be limited to this case, there is no way to guarantee such control.
I'd say that the Ferals are making a bit broader play here than just for that one specific phone. Even if Apple was able to get the government to accept loading this in a 'clean room' and not actually hand over the software to the them, it would soon become a routine matter for some feral judge to robo-sign any 'warrant' presented to force Apple to do it again every time the government has a yen to break into a phone.
Also, where the hell does the government get the right to demand that a company engineer and produce a product to a spec without compensation?
Are you dense? The whole point of my statement, and of Apple's argument, is that they CAN'T "cough it up", because what the FBI is asking for does not exist at this time! Maybe you are convinced they could create such a tool. But I know of no legal precedent that would allow a court to order someone to create something new just because they are believed to have the ability to do so.
Brakes fail. People are killed. The company is told to fix it. They can’t fix THAT system, they recall them all and install a new one.
So are suggesting that Apple be forced to recall all of their iPhones and replace them with ones that can be hacked?
The government is doing its job FINALLY and these assholes at Apple think they can just say no.
Yes, the government is doing its job - but they cannot force Apple to do it for them.
Wrong on both counts.
“Oh now he’s a gunman. Yesterday he was a terrorist.”
Soon he will be a protester.
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