Posted on 02/18/2016 6:48:18 PM PST by Entrepreneur
Well, no, actually. I'm retired.
But, I fear that you have entirely missed my point. The comment was directed at the protectionist from VA who loves to stick everyone else (like you and I) with the costs of protecting a few jobs. Maybe you should ask him about that.
Companies have the duty to stay competitive but they also have the duty to be loyal to their own country.
Well, no, actually they don't. You had it right with the first 6 words of your sentence. Anything beyond that is leftist rubbish.
Tossing out 1,400 American workers in favor of Mexican workers is akin to treason
Well, no, actually, it isn't. In any sense at all. It's called doing what is necessary to help to ensure that your business stays in business.
The Bottom Line doesn't Trump patriotism
You are obviously a Trump fan. Here's the deal. If it was Trump's outfit doing the layoff, he would defend it to the death, as he should. And you would probably defend him. And I would defend both of you.
The bottom line? The bottom line trumps Trump.
The ONLY consideration was a beancounter decision: “You mean we save x millions in labor, EPA, and regulatory costs? Hell, we should have done this sooner!”
More horse hockey! Your position is hyper commercial nonsense - and un- American anti patriotic treasonous tripe. Your beliefs are exactly like the soggy communists where the “state” is the object, not the people within.
The loss of patriotism and short-term profits won’t help businesses that cheat their own country. At best, they’ll lose sales to people like me who despise companies that throw out their American employees. At worst, they’ll have to donate everything to their Chinese masters when the country falls.
You need to really realign your outlook - or just quit calling yourself a conservative.
Your post #18 complete with Prof Irwin Corey SAYS IT ALL. Thanks!
Surely you're related to either Bernie Sanders or possible an associate of Fidel Castro.
A reminder: Being PRO AMERICA is now "in."
Rubbish. This is about Carrier and how they remain competitive. Both of their primary competitors are already well-established in Mexico.
The union hacks would no doubt prefer to continue to extort Carrier for above-market wages for low skill jobs. They milked it for decades, now that party is over.
Same thing they did with textiles and shoes and autos and steel and many other low skill jobs. When your labor is worth 10 bucks/hour and you're being paid 20/hour eventually that's going to come to an end.
So, your "argument" consists of nothing but a silly personal attack. Good job!
Hey.. anyone using the term "trumps Trump" needs a slap on the back of the head.. and immediately
Ask Leroy Jethro Gibbs.
Still waiting for any actual argument.
You really are a piece of work! Rather than work to crack the union’s hold and renegotiate wages to stay competitive, you are all for trashing our country’s industrial base and putting all of our former blue collar types on the dole. Brilliant
The “dog in the manger” approach - we can’t get enough return on our investment, so the hell with our country. Serves us right, as it were.
You aren’t much of a patriot, are you?
His story has touched my heart. Not.
It's got nothing to do with me and it ain't my job, I don't own Carrier. Take it up with their union. The only thing that "renegotiates" anything with a union is a threatened or actual plant closing or a threatened or actual bankruptcy.
Hostess Brands is a good recent example from 2012. The Teamsters were told if they don't want to renegotiate the company will be put into bankruptcy and then sold off in pieces. They voted no.
The bakers union went on strike. Now, none of them work for the old Hostess, but many of them work for the new Hostess and other buyers of pieces of the bankrupt company, all at wages that reflect reality.
That's how it usually goes. Private sector unions have gone from almost 40% of the labor force to about 6% over the last 60-70 years. They almost always think they can continue to extort their employer forever -- until the point where they are unemployed.
US manufacturing is at an all-time high, we just do it with a lot fewer employees. And most of it is high-tech/high-value/highly-paid stuff, not cheap consumer goods people see from China in a Walmart.
There's no avoiding either automation or export to the non-union south or entirely out of the country of low-skill tab A in slot B assembly jobs.
It ain't Carrier's (or anyone elses) job make anything in the US, it's their job to make a profit and stay in business. They fail to do that and nobody at Carrier will have a job.
Got a problem with that? Blame the unions who have been chasing business south and offshore for many decades, not to mention accelerating the use of robotics. Extortion isn't a good business model.
And save your childish insults, they make you look unserious.
Your perspective is startlingly anti-American: this country will only survive if we look to the future of all of our children, even those on the left side of the median intelligence curve. This country doesn’t succeed because somebody, somewhere profits. It will only survive if the future includes all of us as Americans.
Carrier always had a choice. They could have kept American manufacturing and let all of us know that would cost more but they were getting American quality. Or they could do what they did and bail and lose my business and many more like me.
We have to start getting our act together as a country or we can kiss it goodbye.
Well, those are wonderful thoughts straight from fantasy-land. That’s not how HVAC or any other part of the US economy works.
For every person who will voluntarily pay more for a given product just because it was assembled in the US (which is no guarantee of higher quality, for instance witness US auto quality versus Japan or Germany in years past) there are 50 or 100 who will not. The undeniable proof of that is the success and dominance of Walmart, Target, Home Depot, etc., etc.
That spells bankruptcy for Carrier when it’s all said and done. Which means nobody at Carrier will have a job.
Incidentally, Carrier has offered all of those who will be laid off the chance to apply for other jobs at other Carrier facilities and to pay relocation costs for those who get another Carrier job. Carrier spent money hiring and training those people who will be laid off and has an interest in retaining the best of them. And so they will.
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