Posted on 03/09/2016 3:57:47 PM PST by Kaslin
I refuse to revere any elected official. They forget that we are their employers. No “honorable” this or that for me. No “Mr. President.” I just don’t get it. They need to be kowtowing to us!
I refuse to revere any elected official. They forget that we are their employers. No “honorable” this or that for me. No “Mr. President.” I just don’t get it. They need to be kowtowing to us!
“My point was that the “Head of State” is a symbol of the country — and, just like the flag, is revered for that reason alone”
Here that reverence used to only be expressed for the Constitution, George Washington precisely because he rejected such adoration, and generally for the founders. The president and his office is that of an employee, to be watched. The presidency is to be no more revered than the congress or the supreme court.
“it seems that Americans are expected to “revere” the Office of the Presidency — regardless of how loathsome the incumbent may be. That (IMHO) is because the President is both Head of State (deserving of reverence as a symbol of the country) and the “Head of Government””
I think its more a reflection of our emerging aristocracy and a wish by that class that the president be treated as a monarch. Look at Truman, Ike, Hoover, Coolidge, etc. They never were handed such flattery and adoration.
Thanks for your comments. I agree with you to a point. I can understand where you are coming from with language.
My thought is that we have spent the last eight years watching Obama screw this nation, and we spent eight years watching Clinton abuse this nation, and then you had the Bush years.
It’s time to clean house, and I mean CLEAN HOUSE.
If I were Trump, I might be using some even worse words right now.
Righteous indignation is called for.
I’m not saying Trump uses it all that well, but he’s not holding back, and I’m going to give him quite a bit of leeway here.
John Adams tried calling G. Washington “Your excellency” and George kicked him to the curb. It may have been our first president who started the `Mr. President’ title.
On the other hand, Washington was aloof and distant, some said cold. But I think it was because his teeth bothered him.
On the third hand, we don’t want to call one another “Comrade DesertRhino” etc. ... oops, I’m fresh outta hands.
It would’ve ended in the early 60’s if the media did it’s job.
I should hope so!
Respect, on the other hand, has never left me.
Now, the occupant is a whole other story.
For the current occupant, disgust and contempt is the passion of the day.
Nothing turns adults off more quickly than the fatal combination of arrogance, ignorance and incompetence!
Amen to that!
Good post.
The first time I remember of real disgraceful thing as far as the Presidentcy goes was in the 1960s when Marilyn Monroe in a skin-tight see through dress sing Happy Birthday to John Fitzgerald Kennedy in Primetime on national TV.
Amen. I’ll take Andrew Jackson letting the people in for a party and kicking the Chief Justice’s ass any day over little Jebbie or Teddy or Micro begging the Democrats and the New World Order to let them in the Oval Office for a couple years so they can do what the Democrats let them do.
Respect is earned; not given.
Good points. I readily concede that I know less about American constitutional matters than most American Freepers. However, Americans do hold their flag in much higher regard than citizens of most other countries hold theirs. It certainly seems to be an important symbol of the country — more so than in Commonwealth Realm countries, where the Monarch is also a symbol of the country. For instance, we pledge allegiance to the Queen, not the flag.
Washington deserves a lot of credit for refusing to rush into the vacuum created by the revolutionary break with the Empire. However, I’ve read a lot (on this forum, and elsewhere) about the emergence of the “Imperial Presidency”; so it seems that there’s been a lot of back-sliding over the past couple of centuries. While the Presidency is taking on more and more of the trappings of an absolute monarchy; in the Commonwealth Realm, our Constitutional Monarchy has evolved ever-diminishing powers — today, it’s largely symbolic.
To the extent that the “Presidency” is a political office; I would agree with you about it having no expectation of reverence. However, as the President is also the “Head of State” (the role our Queen plays); that’s a symbol of the nation, and deserves some reverence (IMHO). I don’t know how Americans manage to keep the two roles (symbolic, and political power centre) separate.
When you have state visits; there’s a lot of pomp and circumstance at the White House, and the President performs much the same duties as our Queen (or her representative, the Governor General) does here. It’s an important diplomatic role — but, it’s meant to symbolize the nation; not the policies and programs of the government of the day.
When the President speaks before Congress (State-of-the-Union, etc.); everyone is expected to be reverent. When the Queen (or Governor General) delivers a similar speech before Parliament; everyone is expected to show reverence. However, the next day the Opposition can be relied upon to be most irreverent about the substance of the speech. It’s all pomp and circumstances; but, at least in the Commonwealth, we know who to cheer and who we can jeer.
I work with at-risk kids who have no idea what the word
‘dignity’ means. They say what they want when they want.
I see how they act with each other so I cringe when I
flip on the TV and witness adults competing for the
most powerful job in the world and they are calling one
another names. Not very good models of behavior IMO.
I think the ‘whatever turns you on’ attitude from the
60s started this and the liberals have pushed society
in that direction. And, yes, the Clintons and Obama
put a presidential face on it. I wish our guys would
not contribute to that kind of devolution.
I say you can and should defend yourself but whatever
happened to wit? What happened to class and style?
If I want to hear rude debate I’d head to my gun club
bar, roll dice for drinks, and exchange friendly
insults with my fellow club members.
I think you’ll see a lot more of what you want coming your way.
Once liberals began attacking the Founders of our nation, it wouldn't be long before they destroyed the traditions that flowed from them to us.
It doesn't help that our leaders have been replacing the citizenry with people who have no familial connections to our country's past.
-PJ
Oh?
In what circles??
American's are looking for a political solution to what is essentially a Spiritual problem.
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