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Toting hidden guns without training a danger to everyone (barf alert)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 10 mar 2016

Posted on 03/10/2016 6:02:00 AM PST by rellimpank

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To: dasboot

Don’t need a study, just common sense.
What stops a bad guy with a gun? A good guy with a gun.

Add to that, the fact that armed private citizens are are less likely to shoot the wrong person than cops (there are studies on that...) and the fact that firearm accident fatalities are virtually nonexistant compared to the number firearms and Bob’s your uncle.


21 posted on 03/10/2016 6:28:01 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Little Ray
"Armed private citizens, trained or not, are less dangerous than armed criminals with no opposition."

IIRC, there has been at least one study showing that CCW's are less likely to "do a bad shoot" than a cop.

22 posted on 03/10/2016 6:28:30 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Lazamataz

We should start a “can suck it”list.I’m sure everyone here can each add a few candidates to the list.


23 posted on 03/10/2016 6:28:43 AM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: Palio di Siena

Most of the time, the threat runs off when they see the person is armed. That is likely 95% of the time.

Range time and training become key in that final 5%.

Awareness of surroundings and ability to avoid the situation in the first place should be the first priority.


24 posted on 03/10/2016 6:34:40 AM PST by marktwain
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To: rellimpank

Garbage. No stats to back this up. Barring the very rare exception, concealed carriers are overwhelmingly safe and law-abiding whether they have a permission slip from the government or not. Besides, driver’s ed and licensing doesn’t prevent ~50K annual motor vehicle deaths.


25 posted on 03/10/2016 6:35:53 AM PST by barefoot_hiker (Any)
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To: Little Ray

It’s illegal to shoot someone without cause, so no studies are needed.


26 posted on 03/10/2016 6:39:26 AM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: rellimpank

Uh, the “United States Concealed Carry Association” sells insurance to concealed carry license holders. I “think” they may just have an ax to grind monetarily here.


27 posted on 03/10/2016 6:43:55 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Little Ray

Yeah, I know.

I was mocking their “study”

;^)


28 posted on 03/10/2016 6:46:49 AM PST by dasboot
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To: Wonder Warthog

IIRC, there is at least one study that shows CCW holders are more law-abiding than cops - CCW holders are probably better vetted.


29 posted on 03/10/2016 6:55:37 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: rellimpank

Training is always a good thing but is not and must not be a prerequesite to keeping and bearing arms. Personally, I would institute mandatory firearms training in all K through 12 schools in the U.S. along with mandatory instruction on the Constitution, but not as a requirement to own or carry a gun.


30 posted on 03/10/2016 6:55:38 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: rellimpank

yep...most of the thugs in Chicago have no firearms training, which is WHY we need to be packing, to defend ourselves.


31 posted on 03/10/2016 7:06:34 AM PST by G Larry (ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants.)
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To: rellimpank

Seeing how trained police officers can make mistakes..... is a logic fallacy known as a straw man.

The VAST majority of law enforcement officers have very little training annually and often only have to qualify vs paper targets.


32 posted on 03/10/2016 7:31:52 AM PST by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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To: rellimpank
IF WE LET UNTRAINED CIVILIANS CARRY GUNS IT'S GONNA BE WORSE THAN THE WILD WEST AND WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE!!!

Just look at the complete carnage in Vermont, Arizona, Alaska, Texas,...

33 posted on 03/10/2016 7:38:39 AM PST by Gritty (Syrians aren't Jews fleeing Nazi Holocaust but Nazis relocating from a bombed out Berlin-DGreenfield)
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To: NorthMountain

“Bloomburg and his toads wasted a LOT of money here. It didn’t work.”

Just goes to show that W. Virginians are smarter than voters here in Washington State.


34 posted on 03/10/2016 7:51:28 AM PST by beelzepug (2 Timothy 2:23 Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments...")
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To: rellimpank

Notice how “hidden” is a dog-whistle word to bias the reader. What, do we think the Sun Times would be in favor of open carry? No, they just stick the word “hidden” in there to load their article with emotion.


35 posted on 03/10/2016 7:52:59 AM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: rellimpank

So I suppose the Sun Times has always supported gun safety training for school children? If not, they can’t complain if untrained people carry guns.


36 posted on 03/10/2016 7:55:56 AM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: beelzepug
The 'smart' thing, if that's what it was, was to hand the Republican Party a huge majority in both houses of our Legislature. The 'Rat bastard governor vetoed the constitutional carry bill, and they shoved it down his throat.

I'd like to present the sponsor of HB41454, Del. Saira Blair. She was elected to the House of Delegates in 2014.

Yes, that's a current picture.

;'}

37 posted on 03/10/2016 8:12:59 AM PST by NorthMountain (A plague o' both your houses.)
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To: beelzepug
"Just goes to show that W. Virginians are smarter than voters here in Washington State."

Perhaps. I think more likely that the anti-gunners tried a new tactic that the gun-rights people hadn't encountered before and didn't really know how to block (yet). To be seen is whether the same tactic works in other states, and for future anti-gun crusades in Washington (personal disclosure..I live in Washington, but plan to move (back) South in the two-year-out timeframe...probably to Texas).

BTW, any of you Texans have suggestions for small towns in the College Station, Temple, Waco general area??

38 posted on 03/10/2016 8:25:52 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Palio di Siena
whether one agrees with mandatory training or not, common sense says training and range time are key.

A voice of reason. Thanks.

39 posted on 03/10/2016 8:28:36 AM PST by sargon
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70

Seriously, Chicago Times is going to tell us how to regulate guns? The Murder Capital of the USA? Next someone is going to get a hooker to school us on abstinence. The lesson I get from Chicago, Detroit, Washington D.C., et al is don’t put democrats in charge.


40 posted on 03/10/2016 8:31:21 AM PST by R Rogers
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