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Toting hidden guns without training a danger to everyone (barf alert)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 10 mar 2016

Posted on 03/10/2016 6:02:00 AM PST by rellimpank

The United States Concealed Carry Association itself warns: “Carrying a concealed weapon can be very dangerous if you are not well trained.”

To which a growing number of states are saying, “So what?”

On Saturday, West Virginia became the eighth state to do away with training — or any other — requirements for the concealed carrying of firearms, despite safety worries voiced by police officers. Because the state’s legislature overrode a veto by Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin, most people over 21 soon will be able to tote hidden guns even if they have no idea what do do with them in a crisis situation.

Seeing how trained police officers can make mistakes, imagine untrained citizens with guns stepping into a situation where shots are being fired. We think “can be very dangerous” sums it up well — and at least one new study says that is exactly true.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicago.suntimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
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--the usual--from the Bloomberg propaganda group--
1 posted on 03/10/2016 6:02:00 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

So some talking head in Chicago thinks that people in West Virginia don’t know how to handle guns?Seriously?


2 posted on 03/10/2016 6:04:47 AM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: rellimpank

I sort of agree with this. I see far too many idiots that have little to no safety training. I was drilled early on about firearms safety, at the time I thought it was over the top, but now I see the wisdom in my fathers lectures...


3 posted on 03/10/2016 6:05:29 AM PST by wyowolf (Be ware when the preachers take over the Republican party...)
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4 posted on 03/10/2016 6:05:36 AM PST by Donglalinger
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To: rellimpank

Same old, tired, worn out demagoguery. Blood in the streets, gunfights over parking spaces and fender benders, ad nauseum.


5 posted on 03/10/2016 6:08:02 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Liberals are the Taliban of America, trying to tear down any symbol that they don't like.)
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To: rellimpank

Armed private citizens, trained or not, are less dangerous than armed criminals with no opposition.


6 posted on 03/10/2016 6:09:31 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Farmer Dean

I just hope we can provide adequate training for the Thugs n Gangstas....that will take care of 90% of the problem.
Noam Sain?


7 posted on 03/10/2016 6:09:44 AM PST by Fred911 (YOU GET WHAT YOU ACCEPT)
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To: rellimpank

Not nearly as dangerous as walking in parts of D.C., Chicago, New York, Detroit, L.A., etc. without one...


8 posted on 03/10/2016 6:10:27 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: Donglalinger

LOL — What a picture...the personification of STUPIDITY!


9 posted on 03/10/2016 6:10:39 AM PST by House Atreides (CRUZ or lose!)
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To: rellimpank

whether one agrees with mandatory training or not, common sense says training and range time are key.


10 posted on 03/10/2016 6:11:04 AM PST by Palio di Siena
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To: Donglalinger

try again, the flash didn’t go off


11 posted on 03/10/2016 6:11:08 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: rellimpank

Toting a stupid president without a brain is worse...and we still have a few months left worring about that cretin.


12 posted on 03/10/2016 6:12:10 AM PST by Da Coyote
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More “blood in the streets” rhetoric that’s not supported by any facts. Several states have enacted permitless concealed carry and haven’t had these problems. Apparently the newspaper feels that Chicago residents aren’t as smart as those from other areas.


13 posted on 03/10/2016 6:12:59 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: rellimpank

Part of the article talks about a study of 77 people in Montgomery County Maryland in a simulator and the armed citizen is killed by a carjacker or armed robber.

What this doesn’t tell/show is that the other party (the perp) is trained and knows they are not going to die because it is a simulator. Most criminals have never had a victim pull a gun on them, are not trained and generally don’t want to die.

Though not the ideal situation to not have significant training, is being an unarmed victim better?


14 posted on 03/10/2016 6:13:28 AM PST by gunnut
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“Armed private citizens, trained or not, are less dangerous than armed criminals with no opposition.”

Can you cite the study?/s


15 posted on 03/10/2016 6:13:48 AM PST by dasboot
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To: rellimpank

I saw an FBI report several years ago about first shot hit rate of thugs compared to cops.

Thugs hit rate was above 75%, cop rate was under 30%.

Wonder who does thug gun training, they should be the ones conducting firearms training.


16 posted on 03/10/2016 6:14:16 AM PST by wrench
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To: rellimpank

Bloomburg and his toads wasted a LOT of money here. It didn’t work.


17 posted on 03/10/2016 6:19:33 AM PST by NorthMountain (A plague o' both your houses.)
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To: Donglalinger

That’s the perfect picture for the “Smile... Wait for Flash” muzzle message.


18 posted on 03/10/2016 6:23:07 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (I got nothin'.)
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To: rellimpank

A) The Chicago Sun Times can suck it.
B) These antigun pieces convince no one and only increase the pro-freedom resolve.
C) The Chicago Sun Times can suck it.
D) Michael Bloomberg (as close to being a James Bond villain as you can be without being George Soros) can suck it.
E) The Chicago Sun Times can suck it.


19 posted on 03/10/2016 6:24:21 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm an Islamophobe??? Well, good. When it comes to Islam, there's plenty to Phobe about.)
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To: wrench
Thugs hit rate was above 75%, cop rate was under 30%.

I wonder how that correlates to shooting into crowds versus single moving targets...

20 posted on 03/10/2016 6:26:25 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (I got nothin'.)
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