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U.S. Says It May Not Need Apple’s Help to Unlock iPhone
NYT ^ | 3-21-16 | Katie Benner

Posted on 03/21/2016 4:40:21 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

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To: afraidfortherepublic

Break it and then post the code on the internet.


21 posted on 03/21/2016 5:09:28 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: xzins

If it was ever (for even three days) then it was botched, and botched badly.
Because as was asserted by Apple and almost every expert out there...the government has the capacity to break the encryption if the need to.

That fact has just been admitted.

What was wanted was some sort of open door that could be used (and abused) any time without effort.

The public and the constitution say no.


22 posted on 03/21/2016 5:12:27 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: vette6387
Well, if that’s the case, we need more Apple’s to stand up and say “no, we won’t do it,” because it’s against the law and the Constitution!

Not when you have a search warrant it isn't. Refusing to do so when a search warrant is issued is "against the law and the Constitution!"

The rule of law requires search warrants (or writs) to be obeyed. Nobody is above the law. Not even Apple.

23 posted on 03/21/2016 5:14:32 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: 11th_VA

“Having worked at the ‘Puzzle Palace’ in a previous lifetime...”

I loved that book.


24 posted on 03/21/2016 5:15:45 PM PDT by Portcall24
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To: chaosagent

I never believed that the G-men ever needed Apples help. This to me is something far larger in the data collection game. Are we to believe that any of the alphabet agencies cannot come up with their own code or way to hack an iPhone?


25 posted on 03/21/2016 5:16:53 PM PDT by AmericanRobot
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Reverse etching electronic equipment to access its hardware just requires smart people and money. Everything else are just users. Vos Das Blinkin Lights.

No Matter how you arrange the atoms, you just can’t have nothing ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhtTiOkl8yU&index=8&list=RDuvKrAFShXqI


26 posted on 03/21/2016 5:17:26 PM PDT by soycd
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To: DiogenesLamp

And if they say they don’t know how? What if it’s not possible? It’s kind of like “forcing” someone to build a fusion reactor.


27 posted on 03/21/2016 5:22:36 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: MrEdd

Not on the national security side it doesn’t. We have always acknowledged the military need to break codes used by an enemy.


28 posted on 03/21/2016 5:23:31 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Prayer for Victory is the ONLY way to support the troops!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

methinks Tim played the ace:
Telling the Feds if they don’t back off that every iphone,
ipad, macbook, will be encrypted in every way by default.

Every byte, every packet, every phone, every device, AES256.


29 posted on 03/21/2016 5:30:24 PM PDT by jonose
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To: Hugin

write code that doesn’t exist?
= = =

If you put enough monkeys in a room with keyboards, and enough time ...


30 posted on 03/21/2016 5:35:22 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (As always, /s is implicitly assumed. Unless explicitly labled /not s. Saves keystrokes.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

You get a warrant to search the phone.

They got the phone.

Farook and the chick won’t give up the password.

Now it’s up to SB County, the phone owners. They can’t because they are incompetent.

Apple is not a player in this. Except the fed wants to violate everyone’s privacy. If the feds want in a bank vault, they drill it open.

Waterboard Farook if you want the password.


31 posted on 03/21/2016 5:44:40 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (As always, /s is implicitly assumed. Unless explicitly labled /not s. Saves keystrokes.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Apple doesn’t have the phone...
Apple didn’t break the law...
Apple do anything to provide reasonable suspicion.

So on what basis does any search warrant apply to Apple?

Even with a search warrant, it doesn’t apply to anything inside anyone’s mind. People can always refuse to answer... writing code comes from the mind.

The FBI didn’t have a legal case, and they mistakenly thought they had a public uproar case... but didn’t.


32 posted on 03/21/2016 5:52:47 PM PDT by csivils
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To: Hugin
And if they say they don’t know how? What if it’s not possible? It’s kind of like “forcing” someone to build a fusion reactor.

No, it's more like forcing a Carpenter to make a dog house. What they have been asked to do appears pretty easy from a software point of view. All they have to do is disable a counter to ten, and remove delays.

Not difficult software modifications at all.

33 posted on 03/21/2016 5:56:22 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Scrambler Bob
Apple is not a player in this.. If the feds want in a bank vault, they drill it open.

Apple is the owner of the bank. Never before has a bank owner been allowed to tell the Feds that they can't get into a customer's box because they don't know the combination.

The Feds would respond, and rightfully so, "cut the lock off."

Except the fed wants to violate everyone’s privacy

No, that's a lie that Apple inc CEO Tim Cook has deliberately spread. A lot of people have bit on that lie, and now they are hooked believing something which is not true.

34 posted on 03/21/2016 6:00:07 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Scrambler Bob

How does waterboarding a dead body work? That’s a new one on me.


35 posted on 03/21/2016 6:00:31 PM PDT by fulltlt
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To: csivils
Apple didn’t break the law...

Refusing to obey a valid court order is breaking the law.

36 posted on 03/21/2016 6:01:20 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

The Feds would respond, and rightfully so, “cut the lock off.”
= = =

OK. So the feds can cut the lock off the phone.


37 posted on 03/21/2016 6:23:51 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (As always, /s is implicitly assumed. Unless explicitly labled /not s. Saves keystrokes.)
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To: fulltlt

Well, he should not struggle too much.


38 posted on 03/21/2016 6:24:52 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (As always, /s is implicitly assumed. Unless explicitly labled /not s. Saves keystrokes.)
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To: csivils

Even with a search warrant, it doesn’t apply to anything inside anyone’s mind.
= = =

See previous ‘smart remarks’ about waterboarding.

“We know it is in your mind. We got a warrant. ...”


39 posted on 03/21/2016 6:27:55 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (As always, /s is implicitly assumed. Unless explicitly labled /not s. Saves keystrokes.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Refusing to obey a valid court order is breaking the law.


Aye, and there is the rub. Exactly why Apple was going to court, to prove the court order on it’s merits. I believe the court order would not stand on it’s merits.


40 posted on 03/21/2016 6:40:37 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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