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Yes, college should be free
UMass Daily Collegian ^ | 4/11/16 | Civitarese

Posted on 04/11/2016 1:03:32 PM PDT by pabianice

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To: moehoward

True for those that find work. ...

So true. My experience was 40 years ago under the GI bill. Most of us found work then because we had a working economic system. Of course now it is hard to find a job of underwater baker weaving and most of the social ideals important to liberals lately.


161 posted on 04/11/2016 2:51:37 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: pabianice

The problem is real.

The proposed solution is absurd.

One option is to go to gain sharing.

The college might get 2% (or lower agreed percentage) of a graduate’s income for twenty years collected by the IRS for each year of college, up to 4% for a two-year degree, 8% for a four year degree, 3% for a master’s degree and 3% for each year of law or medical school, less $300/year (2% of $15,000~=minimum wage job income).

College wouldn’t be free (it simply can’t be), but it can be debt-free for the student.


162 posted on 04/11/2016 2:55:21 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: pabianice

I agree with this young man, and I feel that the first step he should take is to ask his professors and administrators to work for free.

Once professors and administrators agree to work for free, lowering the cost of university would be child’s play.


163 posted on 04/11/2016 2:57:07 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: pabianice

“student loans are for life”

Federal student loans can be put on a 25-year/15% of income repayment plan I believe. This is usually a bad idea for a person, but it is a good personal option for some people.


164 posted on 04/11/2016 2:58:41 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: pabianice

If you think about it college for the intelligent and ambitious is already almost free. My granddaughters have a total of 6 years tuition-free. They have to live, one works to pay the bills, the other lives at home and cooks and cleans for her father but they’d have household expenses no matter what they were doing in life.

The oldest one is going to grad school next semester and has found a company to pay her tuition if she promises them a year in their employ. The other one will take online classes this summer and work so she can graduate with her OTA degree and her bachelor’s degree in Rehab in 3 years.

My grandson just got a 32 on the ACT and I expect him to be offered many scholarships and if he takes school seriously, he also should get through w/o debt.

My other grandson, a C student, didn’t want to go to college, his parents wanted him to go and it is worth it to them to pay his tuition but he has to come home every weekend and work.

I was just reading this morning that only 58% of the students in public universities graduate in 6 years and it isn’t all that much better for private universities. There are options out there for everyone, especially the poor.

I suspect that many think that free college will include living expenses too.


165 posted on 04/11/2016 2:58:43 PM PDT by tiki
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To: pabianice
Nothing would dumb down a college education more than making it "free."

Look at what it's done to public education! It wouldn't be long before there would be behavior problems in college classrooms!

People don't value "free" stuff!

166 posted on 04/11/2016 2:59:59 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Sooth2222

I graduated with a 2.0 GPA at age 22. I went back 8 years later and got an Accounting degree. My Accounting GPA was 3.4.


167 posted on 04/11/2016 3:26:41 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to irritate someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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To: Lower Deck

Well... she is also the author of...
“Virginity: the importance does not exist”
What a deep intellectual we have here..


168 posted on 04/11/2016 3:46:36 PM PDT by gibsosa
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To: pabianice

Go to college online. The university though want to charge the same.
Gotta pay those pensions.


169 posted on 04/11/2016 3:47:47 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: AppyPappy
And how will we pay for this idea?

Use Native American wisdom. Professor Apache Server works very inexpensively. :)

170 posted on 04/11/2016 3:49:39 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: Brian Griffin

“College wouldn’t be free (it simply can’t be), but it can be debt-free for the student.”

Would that still apply to a student who had a Master’s Degree in Transgender Poetry but was working at Starbuck’s ?


171 posted on 04/11/2016 4:01:18 PM PDT by PLMerite (Compromise is Surrender: The Revolution...will not be kind.)
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To: pabianice

There is so much wrong with this argument.

1) It should be free because I want to be free. I want a million dollars and a big fat steak. Doesn’t mean it should be handed to me.

2) IF we go to college then we won’t have to go to low wage jobs. The number of high wage jobs are finite. If everyone graduated with a 4 year college degree, it doesn’t mean that there will be jobs for everyone. Hell we have experienced engineers and managers working low wage jobs or part time jobs because of the state of the economy.

3) College isn’t the only source of good wage jobs. Many college graduates won’t make as much as an experienced trade skill worker even at the end of their career. Incredible jobs with good wages and benefits can be found as electricians, tool and dye workers, carpenters, plumbers, mechanics, and more.


172 posted on 04/11/2016 4:31:57 PM PDT by Reaper19
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To: pabianice

Okay fine. Then professors and other staff at colleges must work for free. I bet that ends well. Such idiots.


173 posted on 04/11/2016 4:46:22 PM PDT by ri4dc (I used to care, but I just take a pill for that now. [I am starting to care once again])
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To: Reaper19

You do know that most trades are now done by illegal immigrants right? Oh, it costs money to be educated in a trades, unless you’re an illegal to.

I have tradesmen in my family. Great workers. But they can’t plumb a house for less than minimum wage


174 posted on 04/11/2016 5:56:44 PM PDT by redgolum
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To: No_More_Harkin

There is very little need for College as it exists today. If the teachers were doing their jobs, instead of perpetuating a system that enriches their brethren, the country would be much better off. What we do have is an educational/industrial complex, a jobs program for the benefit of lazy government workers.


175 posted on 04/11/2016 5:57:35 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts
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To: pabianice

Ask this knob how they define free.

Do the teachers just teach for free?

Does the school just let anyone live there free?

Working for things makes them valuable.

Can I just decide to take your spot one day in free college, just because I want to? Why not? It’s free after all.

Define free, liberal nutbag writer.

And then go rot in your socialist hellhole.


176 posted on 04/11/2016 5:59:37 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: pabianice

Who forced you to attend this particular school and forced you to amass this debt?

God what an idiot. We are doomed, we have way too many of these adult idiot nonthink socialists out there.


177 posted on 04/11/2016 6:00:53 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: The_Reader_David

The SAT have a lock on testing in US and they are not going to let it go. Of course having only a small minority of students take the test is going to bite them

Right now in many districts all the freshman sophmores and juniors take the test, yes three times!

BUCKOs!


178 posted on 04/11/2016 6:01:46 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian governments are the biggest killer of citizens in the world.)
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To: pabianice

#your_safespace_isnt_free


179 posted on 04/11/2016 6:01:47 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: pabianice

Overgrown parasites.

You want to be a parasite, move back into your mom’s clown hole.


180 posted on 04/11/2016 6:02:50 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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