Posted on 05/02/2016 10:27:03 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
“Sure, there have presumably always been a few hermaphrodites as, essentially, biological mistakes. But we really have no idea how early humans understood the sexes. I am pretty sure they would not have had “intersex” identities, however. That seems like a projection back from modern conceits.”
Entirely wrong. When the Romans and Greeks had Male To Female (MTF) priestesses some two thousand years ago, such transgender people were already a part of their written histories going back yet another 3,000 years or more. There are also numerous indications the practices 5,000 years ago were also preceded by such customs thousands of years before the currently earliest known writings about such transgendered people.
From the biological point of view intersexed human biology must have always been present in the prehistoric human populations, whether or not they were incorporated into the cultures. We are also not just talking about the very rare incidence of CAIS (Complete Androgen insensitivity Syndrome) typically associated with True Hermaphrodites. There are a wide array of conditions which produce undifferentiated sex organs and physiologies. The estimated incidence of intersexed conditions range from a high of 1 in 100 births for the simplest intersexed variations to 1 in 2,000 for some of the more uncommon conditions. Those numbers do not take into account those persons engaged in trangendered behavior in the absence of physical manifestations of an intersexed condition.
Suffice it to observe the transgendered population was far better known in the ancient world and were often treated as important celebrities as sorceresses, priestesses, Female To Male monarchs and warriors, and more. This occurred in a multitude of cultures found all around the world from the iron Age villages in Siberia to the African Kingdoms of South Africa to the religious communities in Indonesia to the Amerindians cultures of north America.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/oldest-gay-man/story?id=13320808
Sounds like missing the forest for the trees. I find it highly ironic that many consider a single gene determines sexual identity and an entire Y chromosome does not.
We know that the Y chromosome makes you a male. We can potentially see correlation between a particular gene and behavior through studies, but that doesn't mean we have any idea how that gene is expressed physiologically to influence behavior. And humans always have a choice in behavior, even chemical addictions can be overcome.
Finally, we simply cannot accommodate every desire of every person in society. We have to make decisions concerning who we will protect, who has priority in society.
Bernie and Hillary represent those who live in a fantasy world where every dream and desire of everyone can be fulfilled, no matter how destructive, stupid, or evil.
“Sounds like missing the forest for the trees. I find it highly ironic that many consider a single gene determines sexual identity and an entire Y chromosome does not.”
You appear to not understand the subject at all. The SRY gene is one part of the larger overall Y sex chromosome. Part of the function of the SRY gene is to provide a protein that facilitates the transcription of the molecules necessary for implementing the genetic coding instructions for producing a male physiology in the otherwise default female fetus. The sex chromosomes provide the genes which contain the necessary coding instructions and genes for the chemical transcription processes. When something occurs to change the genes or the expression of the genes and/or the way they bind a protein, the implementation of the coding instructions is altered, changed, or aborted in some fashion that produces a different end result than would have otherwise occurred. So, yes, one small change can redirect the functioning of an entire chromosome that a single gene on that sex chromosome was organized to control.
“We know that the Y chromosome makes you a male.”
We also know the Y sex chromosome makes an individual develop into a male only when the required genes on the Y chromosome are triggered properly to allow a protein to transcribe the molecular sequences in proper order.
“We can potentially see correlation between a particular gene and behavior through studies, but that doesn’t mean we have any idea how that gene is expressed physiologically to influence behavior.”
That is only partially true. Some physiological and behavioral changes are profound enough to become immediately recognizable while others are extremely difficult to discover at all. With the recent mapping of the human genome we are in the early stages of identifying the effect of the genetic code on some physiological determinants of some behavioral traits.
“And humans always have a choice in behavior, even chemical addictions can be overcome.”
The ability to change behavior has limits in certain areas of human physiology, after which death will ensue.
“Finally, we simply cannot accommodate every desire of every person in society. We have to make decisions concerning who we will protect, who has priority in society.”
So, what do you propose to do with the hundreds of thousands of people who are born with a physically intersexed condition, just jail them at home so they can no longer be found in a public restroom as they have done so since public restrooms came into use?
Bernie and Hillary represent those who live in a fantasy world where every dream and desire of everyone can be fulfilled, no matter how destructive, stupid, or evil.
Placemark
Once again, you are confusing the issue. The remarks made by the professor preclude hermaphrodite cases because in layman's terms what he is describing is normal SRY function.
You are talking about SRY, but insinuating another function entirely which is where my comment comes in. If some part of the SRY expression is broken, describe it specifically. If some other gene expression is broken, likewise you should be able to describe it.
Otherwise you are left with conjecture and insinuation that is entirely misleading and have no scientific case.
The ability to change behavior has limits in certain areas of human physiology, after which death will ensue.
Be specific. Chemical addiction and sexual behavior can be overcome. You are almost making my point: We can control our behavior to the point where we choose to die.
And a true hermaphrodite (dysfunctional SRY expression) can go to the restroom quietly without involving the entire western hemisphere in the decision as to which one. For the mentally unbalanced, involving everyone else in their personal issue is precisely the point.
I said “known.” At one workplace (with several thousand employees) there were around 12 in a support group. I did not know them even though we’d “met.”
>> how many copies of the DAX1 were found?
There are 15 labs available to obtain that test in the USA.
https://www.genetests.org/genes/?gene=NR0B1
Is that your pretentious idea of inaccessible?
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WHEREAS, Transgenderism differs from hermaphroditism or intersexualism in that the sex of the individual is not biologically ambiguous but psychologically ambiguous; and
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RESOLVED, That we continue to oppose steadfastly all efforts by any governing official or body to validate transgender identity as morally praiseworthy (Isaiah 5:20); and be it further
RESOLVED, That we oppose all cultural efforts to validate claims to transgender identity; and be it finally
RESOLVED, That our love for the Gospel and urgency for the Great Commission must include declaring the whole counsel of God, proclaiming what Scripture teaches about God’s design for us as male and female persons created in His image and for His glory (Matthew 28:19–20; Acts 20:27; Romans 11:36).
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FAIL.
>>I never said or represented the biological reality would support or not support any activists for or against the LGBTQ bunch.
What does the T in LGBTQ stand for again super genius?
5000 years is a blip in the time that humans have been on this planet.
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