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In the last analysis, this is one of the many cases where politicians (who want to be seen Doing Something whether it works or not) overrule the trained professionals (who are guided by reality).
1 posted on 05/10/2016 4:05:03 PM PDT by Cyberman
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This is something left over from April Fool’s Day - right???


29 posted on 05/10/2016 4:49:36 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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30 posted on 05/10/2016 4:50:07 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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Let a hungry Pig or a Dog eat their feet and they will talk.


31 posted on 05/10/2016 4:51:54 PM PDT by SandRat
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What percent of time does it work? Anything above zero might be worth it.


33 posted on 05/10/2016 5:04:51 PM PDT by Raycpa
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Horsesh*t! Torture wouldn’t have been around for thousands of years if these morons were right. Torture works regardless of what “science” with liberal government grants says.


34 posted on 05/10/2016 5:12:43 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (It's time to TRUMP the race card in America so we can all get along again.)
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Ask Jose Rodriguez if enhanced interrogation works.


37 posted on 05/10/2016 5:24:06 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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I guess that’s why torture has been employed successfully for literally thousands of years. If it didn’t work nobody would do it. If you could get people to talk by buying them donuts then governments would have the best donuts.


39 posted on 05/10/2016 5:27:50 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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Regardless if we should do this stuff or not, I’m not sure any of that stuff is really torture. Folks have volunteered for waterboarding and sleep deprivation. Nobody in the history of the world ever volunteered to test out the new model thumbscrews or iron boots.

Freegards


40 posted on 05/10/2016 5:29:10 PM PDT by Ransomed
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...compelling scientific evidence is emerging that torture and coercion are, at best, ineffective means of gathering intelligence.

They're just not doing it right. During the latest Iraqi insanity the islamists two most powerful and cost effective weapons were the roadside bomb and the battery powered handheld drill. Imagine the pain as the 3/8" bit grinds into the kneecap, or do they use metric sizes over there?
41 posted on 05/10/2016 5:31:15 PM PDT by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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Science shows that NEWSWEAK was sold for one dollar.


43 posted on 05/10/2016 5:37:07 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
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"Science Shows That Torture Doesn't Work and Is Counterproductive"

Our forefathers in the Army learned that quite a few generations ago. It's nothing new. Civilian wanna-be interests have been pushing for torture.


46 posted on 05/10/2016 6:02:31 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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I have to believe torture, if done right, is effective.


47 posted on 05/10/2016 6:07:09 PM PDT by umgud
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Put her in the Comfy Chair!! Then we’ll see her confess!!


49 posted on 05/10/2016 6:13:25 PM PDT by bakeneko
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the Navy's Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape school used to subject U.S. soldiers to waterboarding as part of their resistance training

These people are idiots.
I didn't see any soldiers at Warner Springs when I went through SERE - and was water boarded, twice.

Water boarding works, and these morons are clueless...

52 posted on 05/10/2016 6:16:43 PM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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Phony torture gets phony information. Science proves it.

Professionals assume someone who has been really tortured- say to a horrible death- has told all.


53 posted on 05/10/2016 6:20:19 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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So when catch the terrorist who has a dirty bomb set to blow in Manhattan in one hour, do we give him a nice banana split sundae or strap him into a chair with a new pair of pruning shears starting at his left pinkie finger, top joint till he talks?

Tough choice....I don’t know....


54 posted on 05/10/2016 6:26:27 PM PDT by Popman (Christ alone: My Cornerstone...)
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Seems the "science" here is just speculation without any actual testing of the theory in question:

Like other enhanced measures, waterboarding cannot be tested in a laboratory for ethical reasons, but there is a sizable amount of relevant scientific literature on it. As O’Mara shows in his book, studies of the “diving reflex” (a set of physiological responses that occur when mammals, including humans, are submerged in water) have demonstrated that immersion in cold water moves brain activity away from areas supporting memory to those “principally concerned with survival,” such as the brainstem and amygdala, which regulate fear, pain and stress. By occluding the airways, waterboarding starves people of air, and there is a “huge literature” showing that lack of oxygen (hypoxia) harms cognition, O’Mara tells Newsweek. He highlights one recent study, which found that hypoxia “severely impairs” a person’s cognitive abilities. Furthermore, waterboarding causes carbon dioxide to accumulate in the body (hypercapnia), which induces fear and panic. In this situation, the ability to think and recall information will be “markedly reduced,” he says.

Not saying it is ethical to do waterboard studies. But neither is it ethical to claim that science was conducted on the question when it has not been.

55 posted on 05/10/2016 6:30:02 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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His views have been vindicated by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, which concluded in the executive summary of its 6,000-page study of the CIA program, released in December 2014, that the agency's harsh methods failed to glean any intelligence not available through softer tactics....

Lets see... the 2014 Senate had a 53-seat Democrat majority which rushed this conclusion out there to de-legitimize everything done by the Bush Administration after they got smoked in that November's elections. Total BS.

56 posted on 05/10/2016 6:30:45 PM PDT by Tallguy
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It’s not about accurate information ... it’s about scaring the heck outta the guy AFTER the one you caught. Torture one in front of the other and don’t even ask any questions. Then see what #2 has to say.

Just sayin.


58 posted on 05/10/2016 6:44:24 PM PDT by gtwizard (Income Inequality is called INCENTIVE!)
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Obviously those “scientists” weren’t tortured enough.


59 posted on 05/10/2016 6:50:09 PM PDT by aquila48
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