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Explaining the miracle at Midway (the great movie is on now_
naval aviation news ^ | MAY 3, 2012

Posted on 05/29/2016 7:24:33 PM PDT by doug from upland

See story at link; we are celebrating freedom and honoring all those who gave their all. If you have never seen the film, you have no idea what you are missing.

I would bet that not 10% of those in high school could even place the battle as being in WWII. We have raised a nation of idiots thanks to the leftists who have destroyed our education system and any sense of patriotism.


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KEYWORDS: midway; movies; patriotism; wwii
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To: doug from upland

As Wellington said at Waterloo. It was a close run thing.

If we had lost that one, we would have been left wide open.

Thank the almighty for the code breakers.


21 posted on 05/29/2016 8:00:39 PM PDT by crz
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To: doug from upland

Four Japanese carriers sunk and, as Obama might do, did not let the population know for a year.


22 posted on 05/29/2016 8:01:45 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: Fiji Hill

I’m impressed. I’d wager half of your then-class mates couldn’t name the century in which the war took place nor name our enemies.


23 posted on 05/29/2016 8:02:20 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: doug from upland

Alliances change over generations. Who would have imagined the friendship with now have with or WWII enemies? Could there come a time when the Ruskies and us are forced to work together to save the world from the Muzzies?


24 posted on 05/29/2016 8:03:21 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland
I saw them film the scene where the plane crash landed on the deck and the ship's crew rescued the pilot.

They kept dropping him over and over onto the deck, until they got it right.

Several of my ship mates got bit parts in the movie.

25 posted on 05/29/2016 8:04:18 PM PDT by Elderberry
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To: Fiji Hill

I have always been a Tora Tora Tora fan myself. Better than the 2001 movie Pearl Harbor and yes better than Midway.
It placed everything in a historical context.

BTW, the radar plot of the Japanese planes coming to Pearl
Harbor is on display at the National Archives Building in Washington, D.C.


26 posted on 05/29/2016 8:04:44 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: doug from upland

Reused footage from Tora Tora Tora and 16mm color footage of Hellcats, SB2C’s and Essex class carriers and an awful tacked on romantic subplot with some Japanese chick.

Worst war movie ever made until Ben Affleck and Pearl Harbor.


27 posted on 05/29/2016 8:05:58 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Fiji Hill
James Jay Carafano over at Pajamas Media agrees with you about the love scenes distracting from a Great War film. Telling the Story of World War II in 10 Movies
28 posted on 05/29/2016 8:06:30 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: doug from upland

My late Father fought in the Battle of Midway. I’ll have to check out the film.


29 posted on 05/29/2016 8:06:59 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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To: pfflier
"The movie included battle scenes from Tora Tora Tora."

The movie Tora Tora Tora included actual battle footage.
30 posted on 05/29/2016 8:08:22 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I’m pretty sure a lot of kids today know that it was the Germans who bombed Pearl Harbor.


31 posted on 05/29/2016 8:10:31 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: doug from upland

It was a miracle from God plus the incredible fortitude and bravery of our sailors and pilots.

We found their carriers first was the first Divine aide, and the second was the Japanese commander ordering a certain type of bombs and weaponry to be loaded on their planes, then changing his mind and ordering them back, then at a critical moment our dive bombers caught them with bombs and torpedoes stacked all over the carrier waiting to be loaded.

I’ll never forget reading of how a squad of our dive bombers finally found the Japanese task force. Our planes had no fighter cover, yet attacked anyway, knowing they probably wouldn’t make it out alive - which none did. I cannot speak words ever deep enough to express the sense of gratitude and awe at such sacrificial courage shown by these men.


32 posted on 05/29/2016 8:10:38 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: doug from upland

The other miracle, when you think about it is this.

America entered WWII training some of our troops with broomsticks, for lack of guns.

Within 3 years and 9 months, America defeated Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.


33 posted on 05/29/2016 8:14:01 PM PDT by r_barton (GO TRUMP!!!)
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To: windcliff

“Get them japs out of the Pacific!”


34 posted on 05/29/2016 8:14:02 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Inyo-Mono

https://youtu.be/Pnvv8TwGa9I
US Navy Squadron Torpedo 8.

Director John Ford filmed this when the navy contacted him to film the battle of midway before it got underway. He caught live footage of the Japanese bombing the island.

A couple days before the battle he filmed this of the Hornet’s torpedo bomber squadron that was wiped out at Midway attacking the Japanese fleet. Only George Gay survived. They didn’t get any hits either.

A horrified John Ford kept much of this out of his movie about the battle but made this for the families of the TBD torpedo bomber crews and reformatted it in 8mm so they could watch it on home projectors.


35 posted on 05/29/2016 8:16:50 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: rusty schucklefurd
...knowing they probably wouldn’t make it out alive - which none did.

One guy did - Ensign George Gay. Quite a story. He was the first off the Hornet and watched every plane of his squadron go down. Shot down himself, hid under his seat cushion to keep from being strafed and was an eyewitness for what happened when the dive bombers showed up. His book is out of print (and worth a pretty penny). That must have been quite a show. He died in '94, was cremated, and his ashes scattered at that very spot in the Pacific.

36 posted on 05/29/2016 8:21:33 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: doug from upland

The other day, after reading about the passing of Norman Kleiss, a dive bomber pilot from the battle of Midway, I was having lunch with my youngest daughter who just graduated high school. I asked her if she knew anything about the battle of Midway. Of course she didn’t.

I implored her to read the book Midway ( I can’t remember the author)if she read no other book about American history, because it epitomizes American resourcefulness, determination and, above all, bravery.

I gave her a brief description, but when I tried to describe what the pilots faced; flying a mission with little odds of returning, the shortcomings of the equipment for the time, the courage it must have taken, especially for the torpedo squadrons, I got kinda choked up and had to leave the restaurant.


37 posted on 05/29/2016 8:24:39 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: doug from upland
Two of the three Japanese carriers hit during the "fateful five minutes," the Akagi and the Kaga, were taken out by Enterprise's dive bombers. These squadrons had been hopelessly lost and going the wrong way when, about to turn around and head back to their base, happened to notice the Japanese destroyer Arashi heading towards their carrier fleet at high speed. The Arashi was there because she had earlier been detached to fight off the U.S. submarine Nautilus.

So in order for the Enterprise's planes to be in position to make their tide-turning attack, they had to spot the Arashi at just the right time. In order for this to happen, the Nautilus had to attack at just the time she did, and the Arashi had to stay behind trying to sink her for just the amount of time that she did, before breaking off and heading back to rejoin her carriers at just the time that she did. And of course, in order for the Enterprise's planes to have spotted the Arashi, they had to have been launched at just the time that they were, and have flown the (incorrect) course that they did, for exactly the distance that they did, in order to spot the destroyer.

If ANY of these events had not happened, or even happened as little as five minutes earlier or later, the Enterprise's planes would have missed their chance to attack the Japanese carriers, and the Akagi and Kaga would have joined the Hiryu in attacking the American carriers later in the day. Honestly, if this had happened, I don't see any way that the Americans could have won this battle.

The only explanation for this that makes sense to me is that God was at Midway -- and He took sides.
38 posted on 05/29/2016 8:33:08 PM PDT by bus man (Loose Lips Sink Ships)
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To: PhiloBedo

http://www.amazon.com/Shattered-Sword-Untold-Battle-Midway/dp/1574889249/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1464579231&sr=1-1&keywords=shattered+sword

Best out now is “Shattered Sword”. It uses Japanese sources that have never been used here.

A good read.


39 posted on 05/29/2016 8:33:13 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Telepathic Intruder

This was the first “grown up” movie my dad took me to see. The audience cheered when we bombed the jap’s carriers.


40 posted on 05/29/2016 8:36:05 PM PDT by ealgeone
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