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Neuron-Packed Bird Brains Point to Creation
Institute for Creation Research ^ | 6-20-16 | Jeffrey P. Tomkins, Ph.D.

Posted on 06/20/2016 8:26:33 AM PDT by fishtank

Neuron-Packed Bird Brains Point to Creation

by Jeffrey P. Tomkins, Ph.D. *

The amazing ability of birds to achieve ape-level cognitive traits—and in some cases exceed them like when they emulate human speech—has long confounded the evolutionary paradigm that claims humans evolved from apes. Now the bird intelligence evolutionary quandary has worsened as described in a new research report that shows bird brains contain over twice as many neurons per unit area as ape brains.

(Excerpt) Read more at icr.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; birds; corvids; creation; notanewstopic; notasciencetopic
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To: alstewartfan; Utilizer
"Our earliest ancestor was a single-celled organism, according to evolutionists. How stupid is THAT?"

A notch or two less stupid than what the single-celled organism supposedly emerged from: either eternally existing or exploding cosmic egg generated brute matter, chemicals or as Sagan claimed, 'star stuff.'

41 posted on 06/20/2016 9:54:28 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: Utilizer; fishtank
Stopped reading right there. That has never been claimed and interjecting a known falsehood into one's claims immediately labels the rest of this screed as irrelevant.

"Never," you say?

You obviously have no familiarity whatsoever with Darwin's "Descent of Man."

Might what to start your familiarization with Darwin's none too subtle implications pertaining to "civilized" man's progression from "lower" apes by reading here first:

"DESCENT OR ORIGIN OF MAN: CHAPTER I. THE EVIDENCE OF THE DESCENT OF MAN FROM SOME LOWER FORM."

"So that the correspondence in general structure, in the minute structure of the tissues, in chemical composition and in constitution, between man and the higher animals, especially the anthropomorphous apes, is extremely close....

"I will conclude with a quotation from Huxley,*(6) who, after asking does man originate in a different way from a dog, bird, frog or fish, says, 'The reply is not doubtful for a moment; without question, the mode of origin, and the early stages of the development of man, are identical with those of the animals immediately below him in the scale: without a doubt in these respects, he is far nearer to apes than the apes are to the dog'....

"* Dr. Webb, "Teeth in Man and the Anthropoid Apes," as quoted by Dr. C. Carter Blake in Anthropological Review, July, 1867, p. 299. *(2) Owen, Anatomy of Vertebrates, vol. iii., pp. 320, 321, and 325. *(3) "On the Primitive Form of the Skull," Eng. translat., in Anthropological Review, Oct., 1868, p. 426. *(4) Prof. Montegazza writes to me from Florence, that he has lately been studying the last molar teeth in the different races of man, and has come to the same conclusion as that given in my text, viz., that in the higher or civilised races they are on the road towards atrophy or elimination."

This small yet characteristically contextual extract from Chapter 6 is particularly damning to your position:

"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world." At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaffhausen has remarked, (Anthropological Review, April, 1867, p. 236) will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla."

Now, how about a little something more from Darwin's protégé Thomas Huxley, whose name and research Darwin mentions above in "The Descent of Man":

"No rational man, cognizant of the facts, believes that the average Negro is the equal, still less the superior, of the white man.....it is simply incredible to think that.....he will be able to compete successfully with his bigger-brained and smaller-jawed rival, in a contest which is to be carried on by thoughts and not by bites."

(Thomas Huxley, 1871, Lay Sermons, addresses and reviews)

What's the matter there "Utilizer" -- just don't want to be associated with all the inept scientism and racism that Darwinism and application of it's pathological worldview has spawned over the years?

Doing adequate research before posting enhances whatever standing you might have in a discussion. Without it you merely reduce your argument to parroting the substantially un-studied talking points of the fashionably liberal.

FReegards!

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42 posted on 06/20/2016 10:07:51 AM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: All

To those who still do not understand the position...

The currently accepted “Theory of Evolution” states the position that Humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor.

Note that it is still a theory, not a statement of proven fact. It has never attempted to claim that humans evolved from apes, and those who claim otherwise are pushing a false narrative.

Cheers.


43 posted on 06/20/2016 10:25:52 AM PDT by Utilizer
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To: alstewartfan

If humans didn’t evolve from apes, how to explain progressive democrats?


44 posted on 06/20/2016 10:35:05 AM PDT by DPMD (o)
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To: alstewartfan

No but every now and then I feel the urge to poop on my liberal neighbor’s windshield.


45 posted on 06/20/2016 10:41:42 AM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: fishtank; Utilizer

What is the difference between saying that

“humans evolved from apes”,

or that

“humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor”?

A distinction without a difference, imho.

= = = = =

If you cannot understand the difference between the phrases “humans evolved from apes” and “human and apes evolved from a common ancestor” it is not worth discussing with you further.


46 posted on 06/20/2016 11:47:23 AM PDT by LaRueLaDue
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To: rawcatslyentist

Who hasn’t observed a protozoa growing into a human being? Tell me something I don’t know! lol


47 posted on 06/20/2016 12:44:13 PM PDT by alstewartfan (Though we spend our lives in isolation Girdled 'round by the Emerald Sea No fear shall we know. Al S)
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To: DPMD

If humans didn’t evolve from apes, how to explain progressive democrats?
Sorry, progressives aren’t smart enough to have evolved from apes. *sigh*


48 posted on 06/20/2016 12:51:16 PM PDT by alstewartfan (I sit here by the banks of the Rhine Dipping my feet in the cold stream of time. 1934 by Al Stewart)
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To: pleasenotcalifornia

Touche! lol


49 posted on 06/20/2016 12:52:19 PM PDT by alstewartfan (I sit here by the banks of the Rhine Dipping my feet in the cold stream of time. 1934 by Al Stewart)
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To: fishtank

A lot of people who were god fearing really tried to keep the people believing that there was a flat earth just a few hundred years ago. A lot of God fearing people believed the sun and all the stars rotated around the earth. Of course the scientists were hammered by these people. I think that has almost past even though I do know a few people who try and tell me the earth is still flat in order that they can hold on to their bible beliefs. I hope at some point the same will happen with these people who pan the scientific theories of evolution.


50 posted on 06/20/2016 1:03:25 PM PDT by hawkaw
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To: angryoldfatman
I’m still blown away whenever I see videos of crows solving puzzles better and faster than apes, using tools and everything.

And I'm equally blown away by the fact that my Ruby Throated hummingbirds here in Michigan winter in Mexico then in the spring fly non-stop across the Gulf of Mexico (approx. 24 hours) in their migration to Mich. One would think they would stop once they crossed the Gulf and spent the rest of the season there along the Gulf states.......

I love birds and don't believe for a second that they are a product of evolution. Every species across this planet is hard wired for its own survival, from the food it eats, to its courtships to its own nest building requirements and its annual migratory pattern.........They're not accidental, God created each and every one of them specifically.

51 posted on 06/20/2016 1:06:45 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My only regret in life is being too young to get to know my grandfathers before they died)
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To: fishtank

Bird must be smarter than us, they can fly, we can not.


52 posted on 06/20/2016 1:07:59 PM PDT by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: fishtank

Birds would never be stupid enough to elect Obama, twice?


53 posted on 06/20/2016 1:09:01 PM PDT by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I recall reading a Creation book that had the example of the woodpecker. It has all sorts of things specialized for getting insects out of wood. A long beak. A long tongue. Reinforced cranium to support the beating. Extra shock absorbing material in other places., etc. I suppose some things could evolve individually, but it would seem that the long tongue and the long beak would need to happen at the same time. The odds of that based on random mutations (most mutations are bad) would be really high.


54 posted on 06/20/2016 1:14:46 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: 21twelve
The odds of that based on random mutations (most mutations are bad) would be really high.

A lot of mutations are caused by flaws in one member's DNA but the recipient mutated member never survives, thus allowing the pure species DNA to continue on........

Just think of how many species of birds are similar to each other but yet never cross breed due to the hard wiring of their own specific dna that prevents them from being attracted to that slightly different species..........

55 posted on 06/20/2016 1:29:55 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My only regret in life is being too young to get to know my grandfathers before they died)
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To: Hot Tabasco
so far as we know, Pikaia gracilens started it all. Pikaia is the earliest known chordate fossil

There lots and lots of mutations until there was us


56 posted on 06/20/2016 1:38:52 PM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....Opabinia can teach us a lot)
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To: wastoute
They sit in a cage while the dog has the run of the house and yard. Something to ponder.

That's because, for all intents and purposes, the parrots in our lives are still wild animals while dogs have undergone thousands of years of animal husbandry which bred out all undesirable traits, such as independent thought and bred in desirable traits such as obedience.

We haven't tamed parrots so much as gained their trust. OTOH, we've completely tamed dogs.

57 posted on 06/20/2016 1:46:30 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (...and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many... Daniel 8:25)
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To: Seruzawa

And can’t seem to stay out of nets.


58 posted on 06/20/2016 1:56:02 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: bert
. Pikaia is the earliest known chordate fossil

And never survived.....

There lots and lots of mutations until there was us

No there wasn't, they are merely species that died out due to their inability to adapt to the ever changing environment...........

59 posted on 06/20/2016 3:01:34 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My only regret in life is being too young to get to know my grandfathers before they died)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Actually, there were infinite mutations that resulted in all animals presently alive.

We all possess Pikia DNA


60 posted on 06/20/2016 4:33:43 PM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....Opabinia can teach us a lot)
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