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Posted on 07/07/2016 9:16:44 AM PDT by Jim W N

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To: Pelham

Hey Pelham, you haven’t and won’t answer the simple question of how Trump’s tariffs attack and solve the core issues of businesses fleeing our country. You talk about everything else and you’ll talk around it ‘till the cows come home. But you can’t put two and two together and answer the simple question which goes to the heart of the issue here. You’re a great deflector.

Trump’s tariffs proposals are palliative, not curative. That is the point.

Bye.


141 posted on 07/11/2016 8:09:29 AM PDT by Jim W N
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It’s not a mantra, it is THE core question here regarding Trump’s tariffs which you simply can’t or won’t answer. Even though you’ve got some pretty goofy ideas of what drives business, even if your goofy ideas were true, you haven’t explained how tariffs solve your diagnosis of the problem in a way that would make a business want to remain here.

Hello? Anybody home?

I didn’t think so.

Bye.


142 posted on 07/11/2016 8:19:30 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

Yeah, I share goofy ideas with this guy; see if you can guess whose policies these were:

Consider that the administration has done the following:

- Forced Japan to accept restraints on auto exports. The agreement set total Japanese auto exports at 1.68 million vehicles in 1981-82, 8 percent below 1980 exports.

— Negotiated to increase restrictiveness of the Multifiber Arrangement and extended restrictions to previously unrestricted textiles.

- Required 18 countries—including Brazil, Spain, South Korea, Japan, Mexico, South Africa, Finland, and Australia, as well as the European Community—to accept “voluntary restraint agreements” to reduce steel imports, guaranteeing domestic producers a share of the American market

— Imposed a five-year duty, beginning at 45 percent, on Japanese motorcycles for the benefit of Harley Davidson,

— Raised tariffs on Canadian lumber and cedar shingles.

— Forced the Japanese into an agreement to control the price of computer memory-chip exports and increase Japanese purchases of American-made chips. When the agreement was allegedly broken, the administration imposed a 100 percent tariff on $300 million worth of electronics goods.

— Removed Third World countries from the duty-free import program for developing nations on several occasions.

— Pressed Japan to force its automakers to buy more American-made parts

— Demanded that Taiwan, West Germany, Japan, and Switzerland restrain their exports of machine tools, with some market shares rolled back to 1981 levels. Other countries were warned not to increase their shares of the U.S. market.

Accused the Japanese of dumping roller bearings, because the price did not rise to cover a fall in the value of the yen. The U.S. Customs Service was ordered to collect duties equal to the so-called dumping margins.

Accused the Japanese of dumping forklift trucks and color picture tubes

— Redefined “dumping” in order “to make it easier to bring charges of unfair trade practices against certain competitors.


143 posted on 07/11/2016 10:46:02 AM PDT by Pelham (Barack Obama, representing Islam since 2008)
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To: Jim 0216

Tariffs remove the financial incentive to relocate outside of the US. I thought that you were bright enough to figure that out all by yourself.


144 posted on 07/11/2016 10:54:36 AM PDT by Pelham (Barack Obama, representing Islam since 2008)
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Well apparently someone is home but the lights are really dim. Congratulations, however, you finally started dealing with the point even though your answer is pretty far farfetched.

How do tariffs on Carrier keep Nabisco from leaving the U.S.?


145 posted on 07/11/2016 11:35:24 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

“Well apparently someone is home but the lights are really dim”

What I do notice is how you feel the need to resort to ad hominem in every post. There’s no need for me to comment on what that reveals about your intellect.


146 posted on 07/12/2016 5:14:26 AM PDT by Pelham (Barack Obama, representing Islam since 2008)
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You started the ad hominems with your "parrot" and now with your level of "intellect." I'm just giving back what you've been dishing out.

BTW, nice try, but

How do tariffs on Carrier keep Nabisco from leaving the U.S.?"

is not an ad hominem but directly challenges your answer about the heart of this whole matter which for whatever reason choose not to pursue. All that bluster, but when we really get down to it, you deflect.

Other than the snide comments you made towards me and what I consider to be bad-faith deflections, this might have been a good-faith discussion which I certainly invited on this thread. But I have found a great depth of cynicism from those who seem to hate the idea of the free market economy, which is freedom in action, but I'm not sure why.

Why do some people on this site that is supposedly for freedom and limited government fail to see how the government is screwing up our country and how less government will help us? Doesn't make sense to me.

Bye.

147 posted on 07/12/2016 7:33:53 AM PDT by Jim W N
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‘How do tariffs on Carrier keep Nabisco from leaving the U.S.?”’

It eliminates the arbitrage that they get from moving to Mexico.

’ Other than the snide comments you made towards me and what I consider to be bad-faith deflections, this might have been a good-faith discussion which I certainly invited on this thread. But I have found a great depth of cynicism from those who seem to hate the idea of the free market economy, which is freedom in action, but I’m not sure why’

I suspect that all of us have noticed your habit of imputing cynicism and bad-faith to those of us who disagree with you, while wrapping yourself in a self-awarded mantle of “freedom”. You dismiss counter arguments as ‘deflections’ as if that saves you from having to address them. Substitute a willingness to debate for the know-it-all attitude and you wouldn’t feel like you’re under attack. You’re no better informed than a number of posters on this thread whose knowledge of economics and history is extensive.

“You started the ad hominems with your “parrot” and now with your level of “intellect.” I’m just giving back what you’ve been dishing out.”

Welcome to 2nd grade.


148 posted on 07/12/2016 8:07:13 AM PDT by Pelham (Barack Obama, representing Islam since 2008)
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Me: How do tariffs on Carrier keep Nabisco from leaving the U.S.?

You: It eliminates the arbitrage that they get from moving to Mexico.

Me: How?

149 posted on 07/12/2016 4:38:27 PM PDT by Jim W N
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