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Trump recruiting 'election observers' to scout for fraud
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Posted on 08/17/2016 10:34:31 AM PDT by Blue Turtle

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To: Blue Turtle

Now, we’re talking. Now, it’s a party.

Is it just me, or has Trump turned up the intensity level. That speech he gave in Wisconsin was amazing.


21 posted on 08/17/2016 11:09:10 AM PDT by quesney
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To: Blue Turtle

The only real way to stop election fraud is to have paper punch ballots that are read by multiple machines, one run by the county/state, one run by the Feds, and one each for the political parties. One ballot but multiple recordings that can be cross-tallied. When the ballots are run through each machine there should be a space reserved where the machine in question can stamp it with an encrypted signature in the form of a bar code to prove it was run in all machines.

Also the paper punch ballots actually be two pieces of paper, one over the other, that can be separated, that must be preserved in two separate and secure facilities managed by the state and the Feds for 7 years via private companies that are severely fined for losing ballots.

Additionally the digital tally of all machines have to agree within an acceptable margin of error and a fixed percentage of random electronic votes in the tally must be verified against both halves of the paper ballots in each secure location.


22 posted on 08/17/2016 11:11:29 AM PDT by WMarshal (Trump 2016)
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To: \/\/ayne

Hopefully there will be some sort of a tech team involved - how that would work, I can only pray team Trump know.

More importantly, hopefully he knows exactly which areas to target.


23 posted on 08/17/2016 11:14:59 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: Blue Turtle
aising concerns about potential Election Day confrontation

You mean, like this trash?


24 posted on 08/17/2016 11:15:48 AM PDT by LouAvul (Freedom without responsibility is anarchy.)
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To: struggle

Is that actually true?

Not disputing what you say, I have heard that since 2012 - but if so, how on earth can that have been allowed to happen?

As pointed out, its a statistical impossibility.


25 posted on 08/17/2016 11:17:22 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: drypowder

“Trump should be calling for the non-use / removal of ALL electronic voting and vote counting machines immediately.”

I agree. It’s ridiculous that there are electronic voting machines without any paper trail some other analog format (i.e. meters, etc)

What’s hilarious (in a sick, sad way) is that it isn’t hard to make a safe, secure machine that frigging tallies votes. Why it can’t output a safe, secure paper ballot is beyond me. The machines could be used for an initial vote count ... but the formal vote cast is a printed paper ballot that the voter reviews before submitting in a box. The formal vote count is then tallied by people and reported.

Of course, the machine isn’t needed in that case ... voting machines are simply another example of government incompetence and corruption.

If precinct size is an issue, just make more precincts. Cap the size at something like 10,000 voters. A board of 3 to 5 people can count 10,000 ballots w/o much of an issue. Funding can be taken from the various waste at the Federal level.


26 posted on 08/17/2016 11:18:09 AM PDT by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Also poster all areas with the amount of jail time for voter fraud. Add, that there will be volunteers watching for voter fraud and documenting it.


27 posted on 08/17/2016 11:23:51 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: WMarshal

...paper punch...really??? you don’t remember the “Chad” count with Bush/Gore????


28 posted on 08/17/2016 11:27:12 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 ('THE FORCE AWAKENS!!!' Trump/Pence; Trump/Pence; Trump/Pence 100%)
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To: PrairieLady2

You help where you can help.


29 posted on 08/17/2016 11:27:34 AM PDT by stillfree? (My My My)
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To: PrairieLady2

By counting voters and filming democrat operatives at multiple polling places.


30 posted on 08/17/2016 11:27:39 AM PDT by gr8eman (Don't waste your energy trying to understand commies. Use it to defeat them!)
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To: UKrepublican; struggle

There were precincts in Philly and Pitt that were at 105-115% of registered dem voters. It happens all the time.


31 posted on 08/17/2016 11:29:05 AM PDT by Carriage Hill ( Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Amendment10

We don’t, but every little bit of help can work.


32 posted on 08/17/2016 11:29:32 AM PDT by stillfree? (My My My)
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...paper punch...really??? you don’t remember the “Chad” count with Bush/Gore????

/Those were in booklets which were ridiculous. Years ago I voted on a card like an old IBM key punch card. Each card was about 3 by 10 inches. You put them one at a time into a slot after which you pulled a lever down to punch a hole next to each of your choices. You could not pull the lever if the card was not seated properly. You could also see clearly that your hole was punched through. It was a very inexpensive way to vote and had a card that could be rechecked.

I guess election judges could vote many cards without people actually being in the precinct to vote. I think that this actually happens in 100% democratic precincts where all the election officials are Democrats, even the ones who sign in the Republican columns since no Republicans will go there. They could just reuse the electronic cards over and over. If Trump can get poll watchers, or better yet, election officials to go into those precincts, much voter fraud might be eliminated.

33 posted on 08/17/2016 11:40:11 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: PrairieLady2

Good observation skills combined with technical knowledge would help spot it.


34 posted on 08/17/2016 11:41:48 AM PDT by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Other ideas anyone especially IT professionals??

I think the technical angle is pretty complicated. Trump should use non-technical means to counter the technical.

1. Trump announce that he will have non-biased exit polls - especially in regions with many hacked poll accusations and known skewed ballot results. Don't say which regions. All that should be secret so they don't know where they will be tested. That should reduce it somewhat.

2. Undercover operatives should volunteering for DNC work.
35 posted on 08/17/2016 11:43:00 AM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: stars & stripes forever

I think in most places the voter rolls are public information, although in some districts it’s easier to get ahold of than others.


36 posted on 08/17/2016 11:43:41 AM PDT by Ellendra (Those who kill without reason cannot be reasoned with.)
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To: AdSimp
This is how I suspect it is done...

The old-fashioned methods of vote fraud probably work best. No computer technology is required.

You might also notice that "absentee ballots" and "early ballots" provide plenty of opportunities to make the votes come out right. There is no way to know who really cast them - the signature verification procedures are a farce.

I am convinced that this is how we get 105% turnouts for entire counties in this State. They always vote for Democrats by some odd coincidence.

37 posted on 08/17/2016 11:44:25 AM PDT by flamberge (What next?)
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To: flamberge

The Clinton/Obama “machine” literally owns the electronic voting machines, because whoever is in office has that control..... the collusion involves not only the MSM but all of the “reliable” pollsters.

That said....the only counter to this is people voting in droves sufficient to counter that.


38 posted on 08/17/2016 11:49:55 AM PDT by caww
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To: Freee-dame
I don't like these ‘soros voting machines’ either, but I don't think that a ‘paper punch’ is any better...what happened to the old way of doing things, you walk in, show your Drivers License, they write it down, give you a number that matches your ballot and you take your ‘pen’ and go over and mark the box?

It took some time for people to count the votes, but I don't remember all this crap of a ‘fixed and fraudulent’ voting that we have now since the Bushes and Clintons brought it to the game, and I'm not sure it didn't happen with that idiot from Texas LBJ...sometimes I wonder what happened to Texas with the Presidents they send from there, we just got one of the out of this campaign, thank goodness!!!

39 posted on 08/17/2016 11:59:53 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 ('THE FORCE AWAKENS!!!' Trump/Pence; Trump/Pence; Trump/Pence 100%)
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To: HarleyLady27

Yes I do and it was done in the open and ultimately the fraud was prevented. I would not mind seeing that happen over and over again. With paper at least there is a chance for and auditable recount.

I work in IT and have a Master’s in Management Information Systems and I want a physical record to keep the ghost bits and bytes honest and audit-able. You can perpetrate fraud six ways to Sunday in software and electronics.

Do you think that there are not groups around the world and in the US who are working on a STUXNET type virus for voting? Do you want Russian/Iranian/German/British/Chinese hackers to be able to remotely manipulate critical elections?

What about the Soros Secretary of State Project (SoSP) established in 2006 as an independent “527” to elect subversives into the States’ Secratary of State offices to swing close elections? Do you think they would not attempt electronic voting fraud?
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=7487

And don’t get me started on the dirty Dutch!


40 posted on 08/17/2016 12:04:39 PM PDT by WMarshal (Trump 2016)
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