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Top 10 States for Machine Gun Ownership(legal owners)
breitbart.com ^ | 8/25/2016 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 08/26/2016 10:49:20 AM PDT by rktman

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) recently released a report highlighting state-by-state ownership of guns regulated under the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934.

Firearms and accessories covered under the NFA (hereafter: NFA-registered firearms) include machine guns, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, silencers/suppressors, certain explosive devices, etc.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; fullauto
Well, a little misleading since some of the items are NOT firearms. Just another stat to fuel the momunists and bloomin' idjits. Didn't really say how many illegal full autos there are in circulation. Of course that's against the law. Right. D.C. is the #2 spot? WTH? Must be govt guns right?
1 posted on 08/26/2016 10:49:20 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

Just as they are not necessarily firearms, they include only NFA firearms.


2 posted on 08/26/2016 10:56:08 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is always just one or a thousand or a million more murders away from utopia.)
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To: rktman

And D.C., which is not even a state, and has some of the most stringent gun-control laws, comes in at #2?

Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot


3 posted on 08/26/2016 10:58:55 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: rktman

Let’s get an estimate of how many illegal guns occupy the streets of Chicago, LA, NYC, Detroit.

What’s that? Big media and Democrats don’t give a rip? Gee, whoda thought?


4 posted on 08/26/2016 10:59:53 AM PDT by Paulie (America without Christ is like a Chemistry book without the periodic table.)
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To: rktman

The only ones owning fully automatic firearms in the US are the jihadis.


5 posted on 08/26/2016 11:01:18 AM PDT by 353FMG (AMERICA MATTERS)
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To: rktman

Alabama is #7. Go Crimson Tide! Actually that school and Auburn U. are both Leftwing institutions.


6 posted on 08/26/2016 11:02:04 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( Even more American than a French Bikini and a Russian AK-47)
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To: Sopater

Re : #3 ~

And D.C., which is not even a state, and has some of the most stringent gun-control laws, comes in at #2? ~

Hmmm...

Puzzling, ain’t it ?

:^)


7 posted on 08/26/2016 11:09:17 AM PDT by heterosupremacist (("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." Thomas Jefferson))
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To: rktman

The curious question the BATFE refuses to answer:

How many legal _post-’86_ machine-guns are in private hands?

There _is_ an exception in 922(o), allowing a private purchase if vouched for by a suitable government agency. There are rumors and indications that strings get pulled, backs get scratched, and favors exchanged to make those sales happen legally; these would be done very quietly, leveraging the fact that such ownership is a private tax matter and the BATFE is obligated to keep those records secret. Such waivers would allow purchase of new machine-guns at “list price” (say, an M16 for $750, vs used transferrable at $25,000), rare guns (AFAIK there are only 3 publicly legal Glock 18 machine pistols in the USA commanding $250,000 each), and otherwise completely unavailable guns (say, FN P90). Of course, there is no apparent way to get a list of who has such “waiver” machine-guns, and the BATFE won’t even admit (nor deny) that such purchases happened.

There is a movement to get 922(o) repealed/revoked. I’m not sure how that’s going, as it requires great legal precision to pull off either by legislation or litigation. Finding out who got waivers would go a long way to destroying 922(o).

There is also the possibility of an empowered public official openly issuing such waivers. Would probably get his career wrecked, but some will stand up for principle if made aware of this option. Imagine: President Trump declares “for starters, and in light of historical American values embodied in the Second Amendment and facilitated by the likes of the Militia Act Of 1792, I hereby issue upon request to every Selective Service-registered citizen the 922(o) waiver required to purchase, keep, train, and bear their own select-fire M4 carbine; given that the ‘right of the people’ extends beyond just draft-age males, I also will issue upon request the same waiver for every American citizen of draftable age and older, any gender, who do not have a felony record and can otherwise pass an NFA Form 4 application.”

Don’t just fight to keep RKBA functioning at the line it’s at. Use the Left’s tactic of demanding far more - you might just get it, and certainly something less but still better than where we are now. One gutsy President, Governor, or even CLEO could inflict a devastating blow upon 922(o), and in turn upon NFA (by making full-auto “normal & common” insofar as paperwork allows).


8 posted on 08/26/2016 11:09:41 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If anyone will not listen to your words, shake the dust from your feet and leave them." - Jesus)
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To: 353FMG

Full auto is available to upstanding citizens. I could literally drive a few miles to my range/club, pay for one, do some paperwork, and possess it LEGALLY in a few months. No, I’m not a jihadi. (It would be used, old, and stupid expensive, but it would be MINE. See above post about changing that to new & cheap.)


9 posted on 08/26/2016 11:12:20 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If anyone will not listen to your words, shake the dust from your feet and leave them." - Jesus)
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To: 353FMG

A lot of citizens own full autos. You don’t know what you are talking about.


10 posted on 08/26/2016 11:18:33 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: ctdonath2

Hmm. Interesting. did not know about 922(o) wavers. That explains why DC is so high on the list.


11 posted on 08/26/2016 11:20:27 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Monterrosa-24

Yeah, but our two top schools are less Left wing than other states.

Auburn is like the diet Coke of left wing schools, and Alabama is like the diet Pepsi.

(I work at Auburn U).


12 posted on 08/26/2016 11:28:44 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: TalonDJ

The machinegun waiver:

(2) [The prohibition of otherwise law-abiding US citizens owning machineguns made after 1986] does not apply with respect to—
(A) a transfer ... by, or possession by or under the authority of, the United States or any department or agency thereof or a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision thereof

...at which point it just turns into a standard NFA Form 4 transfer. Such waivers are the norm for any gov’t agency possessing full-auto weapons, so the precedent is there.


13 posted on 08/26/2016 11:35:44 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If anyone will not listen to your words, shake the dust from your feet and leave them." - Jesus)
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To: 353FMG

No, they are not. That was a stupid comment.


14 posted on 08/26/2016 11:54:19 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Sopater
And D.C., which is not even a state, and has some of the most stringent gun-control laws, comes in at #2?

Read the article again: "The response was that the number of NFA-registered firearms in D.C. is related to the massive representation of federal law enforcement, state law enforcement, military, etc."

15 posted on 08/26/2016 12:12:04 PM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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16 posted on 08/26/2016 12:43:12 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (He wins & we do, our nation does, the world does. It's morning in America again. You are living it!)
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To: ozzymandus

I don’t think any jihadi terrorist would use a semi-automatic weapon. That would be very unprofessional on his part.


17 posted on 08/26/2016 2:37:38 PM PDT by 353FMG (AMERICA MATTERS)
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To: 353FMG
I don’t think any jihadi terrorist would use a semi-automatic weapon. That would be very unprofessional on his part.

I think you have been watching too many Hollywood movies and TV shows.

Even the US Military moved away from every Rifleman having a full-auto M16, in favor of selective single-fire/2-round burst.

I don't believe that any of the terror attacks on civilians in either the US or Europe, were conducted with a full-auto weapon.

The lack of accuracy and the high rate of fire would put a lot of rounds in one or two people and the ceiling.

Any terrorist, with directions from an ISIS-type organization, would be instructed to use semi-auto for maximum shot-to-hit ratio.

IMHO.

18 posted on 08/26/2016 3:38:04 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (Sanders - Make America Venezuela. Clinton - Make America My Piggy Bank. Trump - Make America Great.)
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To: ChicagahAl

>I don’t believe that any of the terror attacks on civilians in either the US or Europe, were conducted with a full-auto weapon.<

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Then why the horrific death rate in the Paris theater and in the attacks in Florida?


19 posted on 08/26/2016 3:42:55 PM PDT by 353FMG (AMERICA MATTERS)
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To: 353FMG
Then why the horrific death rate in the Paris theater and in the attacks in Florida?

Simple.

Semi-Auto, aimed fire at unarmed, untrained civilians in an enclosed space with no place to hide. And in the case of the FL disco; no place to exit, because someone was holding the exit door closed.

Semi-auto fire can easily be aimed at a close-range, human-sized target at 2+rounds per second.

In full auto, at a cyclic rate of 600 rounds/minute, a 30 round mag is empty in 3 seconds, with very little accuracy control after the first round.

We're talking a light, hand-held rifle; not a tripod-mounted machine gun.

Plus, if I recall the news reports correctly, all the weapons used were described as semi-auto.

20 posted on 08/26/2016 4:04:07 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (Sanders - Make America Venezuela. Clinton - Make America My Piggy Bank. Trump - Make America Great.)
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