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Corey Stewart mobbed by protesters at Robert E. Lee statue in Charlotteville
WHSV3ABC ^ | February 13, 2017 | Associated Press

Posted on 02/13/2017 3:45:05 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee

Edited on 02/13/2017 4:20:28 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. (AP, WHSV)

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1 posted on 02/13/2017 3:45:05 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The people of America WISH they had an honest and pugnacious leader as Marsh Robert!


2 posted on 02/13/2017 3:48:42 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: Brad from Tennessee; All

Robert E. Lee’s Opinion Regarding Slavery

This letter was written by Lee in response to a speech given by then President Pierce.

Robert E. Lee letter dated December 27, 1856:

I was much pleased the with President’s message. His views of the systematic and progressive efforts of certain people at the North to interfere with and change the domestic institutions of the South are truthfully and faithfully expressed. The consequences of their plans and purposes are also clearly set forth. These people must be aware that their object is both unlawful and foreign to them and to their duty, and that this institution, for which they are irresponsible and non-accountable, can only be changed by them through the agency of a civil and servile war.

There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. While my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more deeply engaged for the former.

The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically, and socially. The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things.

How long their servitude may be necessary is known and ordered by a merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild and melting influences of Christianity than from the storm and tempest of fiery controversy.

This influence, though slow, is sure. The doctrines and miracles of our Saviour have required nearly two thousand years to convert but a small portion of the human race, and even among Christian nations what gross errors still exist!

While we see the course of the final abolition of human slavery is still onward, and give it the aid of our prayers, let us leave the progress as well as the results in the hands of Him who, chooses to work by slow influences, and with whom a thousand years are but as a single day.

Although the abolitionist must know this, must know that he has neither the right not the power of operating, except by moral means; that to benefit the slave he must not excite angry feelings in the master; that, although he may not approve the mode by which Providence accomplishes its purpose, the results will be the same; and that the reason he gives for interference in matters he has no concern with, holds good for every kind of interference with our neighbor, -still, I fear he will persevere in his evil course. ...

Is it not strange that the descendants of those Pilgrim Fathers who crossed the Atlantic to preserve their own freedom have always proved the most intolerant of the spiritual liberty of others?

http://www.civilwarhome.com/leepierce.htm


3 posted on 02/13/2017 3:53:21 PM PST by ETL (Trump admin apparently playing "good cop, bad cop" with thug Putin (see my FR Home page))
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Totalitarians like to erase history.


4 posted on 02/13/2017 3:58:19 PM PST by joshua c (Cut the cord! Don't pay for the rope they hang you with.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Robert E. Lee was one of the finest Virginians to have ever lived.
One of the few to go through West Point without a single demerit.
Severed honorably and with distinction in the Mexican war.
After the Civil War, when a black man knelt at the communion rail in a church in Richmond, creating a stir, it was Robert E. Lee who joined him and defused the situation.

These people protesting are not Virginians and they can go back to wherever they came from. We are not taking down our statues.


5 posted on 02/13/2017 4:02:10 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Curious, related topic: Did the Redskins ever change their name? Why?

Because they weren’t putting up with it.

Same should happen here. Tell the Charlottesville City Council to pack sand.


6 posted on 02/13/2017 4:07:47 PM PST by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Hmmmmmmmmm....think I will take a second look at Corey Stewart who is running against 2 others for the GOP spot for VA Gov....anyone that has protestors having a hissy fit must have something GREAT going on!


7 posted on 02/13/2017 4:11:30 PM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: ETL
The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things.

The "painful discipline" had been going on for over 200 years. I guess they were just slow learners.

8 posted on 02/13/2017 4:12:24 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Every liberal is a violent totalitarian thug.


9 posted on 02/13/2017 4:14:58 PM PST by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
One of the few to go through West Point without a single demerit

Probably not as uncommon as you might believe. According to Douglas Southall Freeman's biography of Lee, there were five other cadets in his class alone who also graduated without a single demerit.

10 posted on 02/13/2017 4:17:07 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Brad from Tennessee

There were some othersprotesting Corey, but it wasn’t a large crowd. It looked very small.But I’m sure the media portrays it as some great crowd. The city doesn’t want it removed and the numbers show it. The usual simple minded suspects. Like the BLM crowd in Richmond on the hyw, that was almost all whites and only 13 people. I think one black person was among them. It was the same in Charlottsville.


11 posted on 02/13/2017 4:17:53 PM PST by Carry me back (Cut the feds by 90%)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Wait until those rioters find out that Virginia has a university with that namesake - Washington and Lee University. Doubly so if any rioters hold degrees from there.
12 posted on 02/13/2017 4:21:57 PM PST by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: DoodleDawg
The "painful discipline" had been going on for over 200 years.

When will these African nations ever apologize or pay "reparations" for slavery? Better yet, when will they end the practice?

Slavery in modern Africa

Slavery in Africa continues today. Slavery existed in Africa before the arrival of Europeans - as did a slave trade that exported millions of sub-Saharan Africans to North Africa, the Middle East, and the Persian Gulf.[1] However, slavery and bondage are still African realities. Hundreds of thousands of Africans still suffer in silence in slave-like situations of forced labour and commercial sexual exploitation from which they cannot free themselves.

Modern-day enslavers also exploit lack of political will at the highest levels of some African governments to effectively tackle trafficking and its root causes. Weak interagency co-ordination and low funding levels for ministries tasked with prosecuting traffickers, preventing trafficking and protecting victims also enable traffickers to continue their operations. The transnational criminal nature of trafficking also overwhelms many countries' law enforcement agencies, which are not equipped to fight organized criminal gangs that operate across national boundaries with impunity.

Slavery by African country

Chad
IRIN (Integrated Regional Information Networks) of the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs reports children being sold to Arab herdsmen in Chad. As part of a new identity imposed on them the herdsman "...change their name, forbid them to speak in their native dialect, ban them from conversing with people from their own ethnic group and make them adopt Islam as their religion."[2]

Mali
The Malian government denies that slavery exists, however, the slavery in Timbuktu is obvious. Slavery still continues with some Tuaregs holding Bella people.[3]

Mauritania
A system exists now by which Arab Muslims -- the bidanes -- own black slaves, the haratines.[4] An estimated 90,000 black Mauritanians remain essentially enslaved to Arab/Berber owners.[5] The ruling bidanes (the name means literally white-skinned people) are descendants of the Sanhaja Berbers and Beni Hassan Arab tribes who emigrated to northwest Africa and present-day Western Sahara and Mauritania during the Middle Ages.[6] According to some estimates, up to 600,000 black Mauritanians, or 20% of the population, are still enslaved, many of them used as bonded labour.[7] Slavery in Mauritania was finally criminalized in August 2007.[8] Malouma Messoud, a former Muslim slave has explained her enslavement to a religious leader:

"We didn't learn this history in school; we simply grew up within this social hierarchy and lived it. Slaves believe that if they do not obey their masters, they will not go to paradise. They are raised in a social and religious system that everyday reinforces this idea.[9]"

In Mauritania, despite slave ownership having been banned by law in 1981, hereditary slavery continues.[10] Moreover, according to Amnesty International:

"Not only has the government denied the existence of slavery and failed to respond to cases brought to its attention, it has hampered the activities of organisations which are working on the issue, including by refusing to grant them official recognition".[11]

Imam El Hassan Ould Benyamin of Tayarat in 1997 expressed his views about earlier proclamations ending slavery in his country as follows:

"[it] is contrary to the teachings of the fundamental text of Islamic law, the Quran ... [and] amounts to the expropriation from muslims of their goods; goods that were acquired legally. The state, if it is Islamic, does not have the right to seize my house, my wife or my slave."[12]

Niger
In Niger, where the practice of slavery was outlawed in 2003, a study found that almost 8% of the population are still slaves.[13] Slavery dates back for centuries in Niger and was finally criminalised in 2003, after five years of lobbying by Anti-Slavery International and Nigerian human-rights group, Timidria.[14] More than 870,000 people still live in conditions of forced labour, according to Timidria, a local human rights group.[15][16]

Descent-based slavery, where generations of the same family are born into bondage, is traditionally practiced by at least four of Niger's eight ethnic groups. The slave masters are mostly from the nomadic tribes -- the Tuareg, Fulani, Toubou and Arabs.[17] It is especially rife among the warlike Tuareg, in the wild deserts of north and west Niger, who roam near the borders with Mali and Algeria.[18] In the region of Say on the right bank of the river Niger, it is estimated that three-quarters of the population around 1904-1905 was composed of slaves.[19]

Historically, the Tuareg swelled the ranks of their slaves during war raids into other peoples' lands. War was then the main source of supply of slaves, although many were bought at slave markets, run mostly by indigenous peoples.[20][21]

Sudan
Francis Bok, former Sudanese slave. At the age of seven, he was captured during a raid in Southern Sudan, and enslaved for ten years.(Courtesy Unitarian Universalist Association/Jeanette Leardi)

There has been a recrudescence of jihad slavery since 1983 in the Sudan.[23][24]

Slavery in the Sudan predates Islam, but continued under Islamic rulers and has never completely died out in Sudan. In the Sudan, Christian and animist captives in the civil war are often enslaved, and female prisoners are often used sexually, with their Muslim captors claiming that Islamic law grants them permission.[25] According to CBS news, slaves have been sold for $50 apiece. [1] In 2001 CNN reported the Bush administration was under pressure from Congress, including conservative Christians concerned about religious oppression and slavery, to address issues involved in the Sudanese conflict.[26] CNN has also quoted the U.S. State Department's allegations: "The [Sudanese] government's support of slavery and its continued military action which has resulted in numerous deaths are due in part to the victims' religious beliefs." [2]

Jok Madut Jok, professor of History at Loyola Marymount University, states that the abduction of women and children of the south by north is slavery by any definition. The government of Sudan insists that the whole matter is no more than the traditional tribal feuding over resources.[27]

It is estimated that as many as 200,000 people had been taken into slavery during the Second Sudanese Civil War. The slaves are mostly Dinka people.[28][29]

South Africa
Despite significant efforts made by the South African Government to combat trafficking in persons the country has been placed on the "Tier 2 Watch List" by the US Department of Trafficking in Persons,for the past four years.[47] South Africa shares borders with Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Lesotho, Mozambique and Swaziland. It has 72 official ports of entry "and a number of unofficial ports of entry where people come in and out without being detected" along its 5 000 km-long land borderline. The problem of porous borders is compounded by the lack of adequately trained employees, resulting in few police officials controlling large portions of the country's coastline.

Child slave trade
The trading of children has been reported in modern Nigeria and Benin.[30] The children are kidnapped or purchased for $20 - $70 each by slavers in poorer states, such as Benin and Togo, and sold into slavery in sex dens or as unpaid domestic servants for $350.00 each in wealthier oil-rich states, such as Nigeria and Gabon.[31] [32]

Ghana, Togo, Benin
In parts of Ghana, a family may be punished for an offense by having to turn over a virgin female to serve as a sex slave within the offended family.[33] In this instance, the woman does not gain the title of "wife". In parts of Ghana, Togo, and Benin, shrine slavery persists, despite being illegal in Ghana since 1998. In this system of slavery, sometimes called trokosi (in Ghana) or voodoosi in Togo and Benin, or ritual servitude, young virgin girls are given as slaves in traditional shrines and are used sexually by the priests in addition to providing free labor for the shrine.[34]

Ethiopia
Mahider Bitew, Children's Rights and Protection expert at the Ministry of Women's Affairs, says that some isolated studies conducted in Dire Dawa, Shashemene, Awassa and three other towns of the country indicate that the problem of child trafficking is very serious. According to a 2003 study about one thousand children were trafficked via Dire Dawa to countries of the Middle East. The majority of those children were girls, most of whom were forced to be sex workers after leaving the country. The International Labor Organization (ILO) has identified prostitution as the Worst Form of Child Labor.[35]

In Ethiopia, children are trafficked into prostitution, to provide cheap or unpaid labor and to work as domestic servants or beggars. The ages of these children are usually between 10 and 18 and their trafficking is from the country to urban centers and from cities to the country. Boys are often expected to work in activities such as herding cattle in rural areas and in the weaving industry in Addis Ababa, and other major towns. Girls are expected to take responsibilities for domestic chores, childcare and looking after the sick and to work as prostitutes.[35]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_modern_Africa

Or,

http://web.archive.org/web/20160108090835/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_modern_Africa%3C/a%3E

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The Price in Blood
Casualties in the Civil War

At least 618,000 Americans died in the Civil War, and some experts say the toll reached 700,000.

The number that is most often quoted is 620,000. At any rate, these casualties exceed the nation’s loss in all its other wars, from the Revolution through Vietnam.

The Union armies had from 2,500,000 to 2,750,000 men. Their losses, by the best estimates:
Battle deaths: 110,070
Disease, etc: 250,152
Total 360,222

The Confederate strength, known less accurately because of missing records, was from 750,000 to 1,250,000. Its estimated losses:
Battle deaths: 94,000
Disease, etc: 164,000
Total: 258,000

http://civilwarhome.com/casualties.htm

13 posted on 02/13/2017 4:26:42 PM PST by ETL (Trump admin apparently playing "good cop, bad cop" with thug Putin (see my FR Home page))
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To: ETL

Love your post but have to comment on a pet peeve of mine:

“At any rate, these casualties exceed the nation’s loss in all its other wars, from the Revolution through Vietnam.”

Easy to do when BOTH SIDES count.

WWII - beats this if only 1 side, even the largest, is counted.


14 posted on 02/13/2017 4:35:19 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Getting rid of Confederate monuments is the same thing ISIS is doing.


15 posted on 02/13/2017 4:46:48 PM PST by Terry Mross (Now I understand how dictators gain power. Eventually people want some relief from the idiots.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

BFL !


16 posted on 02/13/2017 4:58:36 PM PST by snooter55 (People may doubt what you say, but they will always believe what you do)
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To: ETL

Don’t even try to inject facts into this matter. The Left cannot comprehend truth.


17 posted on 02/13/2017 5:51:46 PM PST by jch10 (President Trump, President Trump, President Trump! I just love saying that!)
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To: wardaddy; rustbucket; l8pilot; PeaRidge; stainlessbanner

Dixie Ping


18 posted on 02/13/2017 5:55:36 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade
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To: Brad from Tennessee

This war will only be won with bullets


19 posted on 02/13/2017 11:08:39 PM PST by wardaddy (trump is a great tourniquet but that's all folks.......)
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To: Terry Mross; Pelham

They are on record

Not confederates

All slave owners north or south from the beginning

Next it will be over Indian genocide in New England or stealing from Mexicans

And so forth

It’s an anti white anti western civilizationpolitical war foisted by minorities of all stripes

I’ve seen this coming since the 90s

I warned the seminar south bashers here nearly 20 years ago when i first witnessed hatred of the south from so called conservatives

I was shocked at the vitriol supposedly from my own side

Some are on this very forum playing coy over Lee

This will never end till they fear us

Texas you can kiss your Alamo good bye

It’ll never end


20 posted on 02/13/2017 11:18:39 PM PST by wardaddy (trump is a great tourniquet but that's all folks.......)
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