Paul Ryan Outlines Why It Takes Three Steps For ObamaCare Repeal and Replacement…

The Last Refuge ^ | March 9, 2017 | sundance

[StormEye]

One vote to impose awful ObamCare on the American people.
But it needs Three votes and a 60 Senator majority to repeal it?
I say BS!

Sixty votes is not Constitutionally required to pass
or repeal any legislation! The sixty vote requirement
is just an artificial construct to getting anything done in the Senate!
The Constitution only requires a simple majority vote to pass legislation!
The RINOS are only using this as an excuse to do nothing!!

[USCG SimTech]

I just can’t trust the establishment to surrender all the federal power over individuals in phase 3. Don’t see it happening.

[AlmaKing]

You can’t get there from here.....

[plain talk]

When Trump was elected and there was this euphoria that pubs would control the three branches I knew then we still didn’t have the votes to get rid of ObamaCare. As the article says - forget the 60 vote filibuster margin - we only have 51 Republican Senators and many of those are traitors and RINOs.

I knew this was coming. But don’t just blame Paul Ryan or McConnell. Trump is pushing this approach as well. The problem with this is that if it doesn’t fix the problem then Trump will own the mess. It will be known as TrumpCare.

[be-baw]

Ping for posterity.

[unlearner]

Bring up a ANY bill that’s popular with Senate Democrats, get all the conservative Republicans to pass it (with a minimum 60 votes), send it to the Congress to gut and reconcile. Done.

[Phlyer]

Do you think the dems will hesitate to remove the filibuster for legislation when they are in power?

This is the issue that really matters. Those who cling to the filibuster are all caught up in their own 'nobility' and the 'importance' of Senate 'collegiality.' Meanwhile, the Dims just want to win at any cost. As long as some of them were willing to retain the filibuster even when it wasn't in their own near-term interests, it remained. But Dingy Harry threw that out - with the concurrence of his cronies - and that decision has already been made.

Nonetheless, there are enough self-important Dims-in-R-clothing that want what they can never again have, that it's not likely McConnell could get the same majority. That's a failure of his leadership, but it's as true as gravity. We can complain - or hold our breath until we turn blue - but it won't change that basic fact.

As a result, the three-phase approach is the only viable approach. However . . .

The actual Obamacare law language is incredibly vague. Most of the really objectionable elements (beyond the individual mandate) are actually decisions of the Secretary of HHS. Which means that phase 2 is really the important phase anyway.

I'd let them get going, and then see just how much difference the administration can made. It's huge - if they have the courage to use it.

[Chgogal]

Bull Shit Plan - RINOs Ryan and McConnell will never get three phases passed.

[9YearLurker]

“Sundance” has sold out and is selling snake oil here.

For example, reconciliation in no way forces the GOPe to add a massive new healthcare subsidy entitlement covering those making up to $290K per year.

But that’s what the Ryancare bill does.

[Owen]

Here’s the genius in this comment thread:

1) JUST REPEAL IT.
>The poster can’t read. There aren’t even 51 votes to “just repeal” with no replace. Let alone 60. This is not a matter of vicious, evil RINOs. The Dems could not get their single payer plan through, because they had DINOs. Extreme measures are really hard to get through, and that’s a good thing.

2) Didn’t the Democrats pass it? Didn’t they pass stuff in the bill that doesn’t say dollars and sense? Like pre-ex conditions? If they did it, why can’t we?
>The poster can’t read. They had 60 votes and passed it when Kennedy was alive. Then he died and they had 59. THEY, even THEY, with more majority than we have, had to use reconciliation to get it finally through, and it’s not the single payer plan their left wing wanted.

3) Now Trump will own this trainwreck! Just Repeal It.
>As above, you can’t get even 51 votes to just repeal with no replace. Trump made a promise to repeal and replace. Obama had 60 Senators in 2010. We have 52. Trump and this approach is killing every financial aspect of Obamacare and leaving some things and modifying some things. That’s repeal and replace — as promised. You want him to break his promise?

4) Those liars said if we had a majority we could do things.

>We have McCain, Flake and Collins, but we also have 2 Senators from Blue states (CO and NV). They aren’t going to backstab their state by voting for extreme things. We have a measure on the table that will eliminate the individual mandate fine, eliminate employer taxes, retain the pre-ex conditions coverage imposed on insurance carriers. If YOU have a better idea, submit your text that you’re sure will get past the Senate Parliamentarian who decides what’s Reconciliation or not.

We’ll wait here while you write it up.

[FrankR]

Trump could issue an EO to not enforce mandates, or penalties. Let Ocare die on its own.

Start a mass revolt and all who can, cancel their ocare policy.

Another EO could drop enforcement of insurance rules, and let insurance companies sell individual policies again.

[MichaelCorleone]

Geez bert, I don’t think making a clean break in the here and now as opposed to Ryan’s ‘3-step plan’, (which will come to fruition...when?) is nit-picking.

0bamacare was designed to cripple the economy, was it not? In addition to shrink, if nor eliminate, the middle class?

Seems to me we’re under some time pressure here.

[Owen]

The Filibuster provides power to the minority. Which we will be someday.

Reid didn’t change the rules to kill the filibuster in 2010 to get this thru. You say the Dems will change the rules in a heartbeat to get what they want, but they didn’t in 2010. That’s why Reconciliation had to be used.

You have all your premises wrong. All the complaints of how the GOP was stonewalling them during the final Obama years was because they would not kill the filibuster. So they won’t change rules just to get things through.

Not even for Obamacare.

[M. Thatcher]

Paul Ryan is a liar.

That is all.

[SeekAndFind]

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER OPTIONS?

[Ray76]

> Without 8 Democrats voting to approve a “repeal bill”, any House (Or Senate) bill that repeals ObamaCare cannot pass the Senate.

Surrender monkey doesn’t even try.

The problem, which the Republicans want to conceal, is that they all do not want to repeal ACA. They don’t want to go on record with a vote. They don’t want to get primaried.

Self serving SOBs

[Scrambler Bob]

I could almost be persuaded to accept this approach.

Except for it being that I do not trust Paul Ryan.
= = =

Roger that.

How about a Poison Pill, or two.

If Phase 2 is not passed by ... date, Phase 1 is invalidated (or go back to already passed GOP bill).

If Phase 3 is not passed by ... date, ditto.

[Ray76]

Ryan is lying.

Here is Price’s bill

https://web.archive.org/web/20161227192319/http://tomprice.house.gov/sites/tomprice.house.gov/files/HR%202300%20Empowering%20Patients%20First%20Act%202015.pdf

What happened to Section 2?

[TWhiteBear]

It is not ‘We don't have the votes.’, it is ‘
We don't have the guts.’.
This is not reform or improvement.
It is a name change, different label but same box of crap.

And Speaker Ryans kick the can down the road, Three Stop or actually, Six Step program is a cruel joke, but with enough Democrat votes, this bill might get passed.
Once the fat cats and donors get their hot deal first, then real reform will never come.
This bill, format and philosophy means no legal reform, no health coops, no savings on insurance.
TWB
Remember , this is about bean counting as in Affordable(for some people), not Quality or even Improvement.

[MyDogAteMyBallot]

highly reminiscent of Ryan’s explanations of the gang of eight’s plan to “fix a broken immigration” system. That had to be done in steps, too.

2015
https://www.google.com/amp/www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/09/vote-paul-ryan-vote-amnesty-luis-gutierrez-endorses-paul-ryan-speaker/amp/
2016
https://www.numbersusa.com/print/news/ryan-pushes-gang-eight-style-amnesty-cnn-town-hall
2017
https://www.google.com/amp/www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/05/report-gang-of-eight-members-eye-immigration-reform-in-2017/amp/

a leopard doesn’t change its spots.