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Posted on 06/15/2017 12:50:19 PM PDT by Kaslin
1. A known designer is not required by Intelligent Design - you don't need to know who designed the designer when you discover an arrow - you know it was designed. (Can be applied the the fine tuned universe, DNA, rare earth, consciousness, etc...)
2. We know the universe had a beginning (Big Bang) and if there was an infinite past we would never arrive at the present. Logical reasoning leads to the conclusion that the initial cause of motion must be something that is not, itself, in motion—an unmoved mover – the Prime Mover. If every cause is the result of a previous cause, or, if everything is caused by something else, then we have an "infinite regress" of causes which is logically incoherent (who designed the designer). Furthermore, natural processes cannot create natural processes (circulus in probando). So we are logically left with ‘creation’ from outside of nature.
3. When postulating a creator outside of nature, asking who created the creator would be like asking 'how long did it take to create time' - 'how much area did it take to create space' - 'how much weight did it take to create matter'.
4. From a theological Judeo-Christian standpoint, the question becomes "who made God" - that means you are reduced to thinking about created gods. I don't know any Christian who believes God was created. It just becomes an absurd question you might hear a child ask.
When you get the math wrong; everything else you say will be suspect as well.
From a purely mathematical standpoint, the bewildering complexity of even the most basic organic molecules [which are much more complicated than a nine-letter word] completely rules out the possibility of life originating by mere chance.”
The True E believers will counter this with, "...given enough time..."
Bottom line: If you are going to 'CLAIM' zero odds; then you'd best SHOW zero odds!
Turning the coin over we find...
There MUST be a GOD; for He uses the same kind of stuff to make us all!
There ya go!
One of the terms HAS to be a PROVEN zero; or else E wins.
Shush!
How DARE you attempt to nail down the definition of terms being used!
I have very tiny bugs that live in my area.
They think I am a food source.
They can fly, walk, avoid predators and reproduce; all in the area covered by this symbol here ---> .
One
It’s aliens; all the way down.
You IS an old coot!
Soon to be EXTINCT!!
Let's talk about this some.
1. Let's assume that some yet undiscovered chemical process DID manage to create Life.
2. Just how MANY times did this occur before the created Life decided, "This dyin' is getting mighty old. I'm gonna try for REPRODUCTION next time around."
It IS?
I thought that 4004 BC was disproved by those things.
Design Patterns... Commonly employed in software development....
Oh?
I thought you just typed:
You can propose any idea you want, but unless you can back it up with data and facts, and then have that data replicated by other scientists in the field, it is absolutely meaningless.
Nice tagline BTW
Eternal means always existed thus not created , it is the only possibility. There has to be an original Creator for something to come from nothing.
Oh?
Why are the natural laws ruling our universe what they are and unchanging?
Just change one ever so slightly... and it is likely humankind would not exist...
Time wounds all heels.
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