Posted on 06/16/2017 8:22:37 AM PDT by Kevin C
You are correct.
To save endless arguments, there were those who know Mexican illegal kids that are second, third generation illegals, and their parents, who were brought here through no fault of their own and know no other country but this one, and until Obama these kids were just fine and their offspring are in college and from fine families.
Governor Perry went to school with their parents. So did I.
Trump was always after the 8 year invasion of illegals, under Obama and his Open Borders thugs, the Fast and Furious gangsters.
Who didn’t know this?
Trump never had his heart into shipping out the old Mexican families and their kids. He was always after the MARXIST invaders.
The closest he got to DACA was enforcing the laws on the books, but quickly added phrases of accomodation to DACA kids. It was paper work. Probably papers designed to *deport* by official edict, but then expedite the innocent right back in.
Trump mentioned DACA only when asked, in Leftist interviews, and he supported the LAW and enforcement. He didn’t always mention accomodation, but who didn’t know he provide presidential mercy, somehow? As he became familiar with the history of Mexican descendants, he easily understood the deportation priorities for closing the border and deporting the invading gangs, thugs and repeat offenders.
The kids will be accommodated.
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He said it alright. Trump wants the law enforced, first. He just didn’t say all of it, in that interview, that would come to include accommodations.
Todd didn’t get the whole picture when he asked the limited scope question.
Presidents can provide accommodation or mercy to anything, anytime they choose. We know that.
OMGosh! One of those! That explains it.
No it isn’t nonsense. It made sense. It was called “touch back”. Remember?
Trump discussed the DACA kids as hard cases, but that the law would be enforced, and that their would be cases where something would be worked out, maybe they could leave and come back in an expedited manner.
The media and Crooooze supporters called it “touch back”.
I support it, even if it is all done on paper. These kids are no threat to the USA. Trump was always after closing the border and shipping out the invaders who swept in under Obama, as his priority.
Governor Perry is my guess, who straightened him out on the history of illegals in Texas and Trump quickly evolved to more accommodation for second, third generation Mexican kids.
The law requires deportation. There is no law allowing their preferential treatment for any reentry.
Further, “touch back” was a Gang of Eight amnesty scheme. It is not law.
So yeah, it is nonsense. It’s your amnesty loving dream.
We are past anyone’s “pleasure” aren’t we?
A loss in ‘18 kills the Trump agenda and may get him impeached.
Are Republicans going to put their “pleasure” before their country, at this point? They should leave if they can’t fight, and just prefer chocolate.
There does exist a revulsion for Mexicans, no? Puh leeeze, at least be real.
Some, many around here, want to treat the innocent illegal kids the same as the cartel gangsters. Wake up.
You’re the one talking about Mexicans. Why is that?
Oklahoma?
The Mexican illegals I am talking about were innocents, brought here through no fault of their own, who know no other country but this one and have been here so long they have kids in college and who are no threat to the USA. They were not going to go to “the back of the line”, but to the front.
Trump will enforce Immigration Law, but in these particular cases there will be accommodation, on paper. I expect Trump to *deport* these kids, but it will be done on paper, and then he will permit them to be let right back into the USA. That will likely be done on paper, as well. (My guess.)
Our government was already discussing a time factor for amnesty, for those illegals with clean records, prior to Obama’s illegal invasion. Numbers like fifteen years were thrown out there.
It was always the outrageous Obama invasion that had to be dealt with and the hordes deported with the borders slammed shut and a wall built.
People who want the law enforced are not racist, contrary to your assertion.
I attended several myself and i watched I am sure 99.9% of the others. He repeated over and over again that on day one he was going to end amnesty. He did not, and now we know here he will not. That is a lie. I would give you, that he was not necessarily or consistently explicit about deporting them. But he was very explicit about Ending their amnesty. It really surprises me that several people here on FR, cannot accept the fact, that on this point, Trump lied. Can we get him to honor his promise?
If it is of any concern in business of yours, I have given lump sum contribution and I continuously give monthly automatic contribution. But that is really none of your business.
To criticize President Trump, does not make someone a neverTrumper anymore is in criticizing Obama made a person racist. Please don’t fall into the same idiocy that was thrown at us over the last eight years. Further, it is healthy and necessary that we stand our ground, that we don’t drink the Kool-Aid, and act as ignorant intolerant fascists and expect everybody to tow the line regardless of the topic, the decision, or the lie. Think about it, do you really want every discussion thread to simply be a chorus of yes?
What would I do? I wouldn’t have promised to “immediately” stop something I intended to actually delay stopping. He said he’d stop it “immediately” but somehow in your and others’ minds now “immediately” doesn’t mean “immediately” it means sometime down the road.
Ok. Fine. Just don’t try to sell *me* this line because I’m not buying at any price.
I never believed he’d stop either EO to be quite honest so I’m pleased he nixed DAPA. I’ll give him credit there. And I heard him say on multiple occasions we have to have a heart, we will let the good ones back in, etc, so it’s certainly not a surprise he doesn’t appear to be rescinding DACA anytime soon. Not a surprise at all.
But he never should have said something if he didn’t actually intend to do it. Again, “immediately” means “immediately”, not months if not years down the road when it becomes easier to do.
Why can’t you just admit that he hasn’t come through on the promise of “immediately”? I can’t for the life of me understand why that’s so hard to admit. It isn’t hard to admit for anyone who’s more interested in the truth than winning an argument.
I don’t know.
But if you have a ‘dreamer’ who has already received a few hundred thousand dollars of education (or what generally passes for it) at the taxpayer’s expense and actually seems to want to be a good citizen, particularly if they came over here not of their own volition?
If you want everything in black and white, fine, not everyone does in instances such as this. I’m sure there are some who are fine people *AND* we’ve already paid to educate them. Maybe stipulate a term of service in the armed forces....
I wish I was as certain of absolute black and whites in regarding people brought here as children as you and many others...
He has given no amnesty, and I can’t agree with your observation. He always said the dreamers were a tough problem which he had to think about. I believe he’s extended their ability to apply for extensions. Unless I’m wrong, the parents still can be deported? We can agree he isn’t deporting all illegals.
This is salient.
The President's Phoenix speech was unmistakable (and unmistakably correct) - no DAPA, no DACA. They were not just unconstitutional, they were extraconstitutional.
But even then, as you say, the when and how they gots to go is unclear.
And as others mention, the President is well within the Constitution to use his Executive Office to do exactly whatever he wants with DACA/Dreamers.
To that point, Juan Manuel Montes is a blueprint for how DACA/Dreamers should be handled going forward.
First protected DREAMer is deported under Trump
The takeaway from all this: it's a shitty way for the Admin to attempt to bury DACA/Dreamers in a Friday news dump underneath the unrelated Trump Twitter flurry this morning; and the raison d'etre for sustaining Dreamers is too Bush-y for comfort (not Yeb!, who would have gassed up Fidelity IV and brought Mexicans in one large family at a time; but rather in the manner of George, a la his Chamber of Commerce-cheap-labor-force approach).
EVEN SO, the underlying thread of this thread is that we all know there are two key immigration problems that must be solved immediately:
If we have to take one at a time, ok, but patience is not a virtue regarding illegality, ever.
> e President is well within the Constitution to use his Executive Office to do exactly whatever he wants with DACA/Dreamers.
No he’s not. Unless you’re Obama.
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