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First bicycle tax in nation leaving bike-crazy Oregon riders crazy.
Washington Times ^ | 07/17/2017 | Valerie Richardson

Posted on 07/18/2017 12:59:41 AM PDT by gattaca

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To: Reno89519

And those free abortions for all, even illegals.


41 posted on 07/18/2017 4:01:02 AM PDT by Tennessee Conservative
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To: BinaryBoy

And they’ll fly out of the stores.


42 posted on 07/18/2017 4:02:09 AM PDT by FrdmLvr ("A is A. A thing is what it is." Ayn Rand)
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To: AlaskaErik
I thought Democrats loved taxes. I guess only when it’s on others.

The brand of socialism they love for is the one where the government takes money from people they don't like and spends it on stuff they do like.

They incorrectly assumed that because they created the voracious socialist monster they automatically get immunity from it.


43 posted on 07/18/2017 4:03:24 AM PDT by Vlad The Inhaler (We were Trumpin' before Trumpin' was cool.....)
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To: BinaryBoy
Prediction: Someone will start selling bikes with 25 3/4 inch wheels.

Or sell them stripped down for $199.99 with things like wheels seats, brakes, handle bars available as add on accessories.


44 posted on 07/18/2017 4:06:10 AM PDT by Vlad The Inhaler (We were Trumpin' before Trumpin' was cool.....)
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To: Fresh Wind
How much of your property would you be willing to have taken from you to add a bike lane on your street?

That's a good question and the answer will involve case by case analysis. I live in a walkable, bikeable neighborhood where it's not really a problem. We have quiet tree lined streets. I would not sacrifice a single tree to widen a street.

That said, I know a number of suburban neighborhoods with single family homes on big, wooded lots, with the homes usually well back from the road. I'm not talking about McMansion country; these are 1960's suburbs that were built to preserve an ersatz rural feel, with tiny twisty roads with no shoulders or sidewalks so people could pretend they lived in the country.

Those twisty roads, however, are no longer country lanes; they are heavily trafficked suburban streets and are quite dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists. An off road path taking 15 feet from the expansive front yards would be appropriate and, if well designed, perfectly attractive. (Less grass to mow, as well.) If I lived in such a neighborhood, I'd be for it; it would open the street to cycling and presumably link to the regional trail system, which is an attractive amenity and good for property values.

One size doesn't fit all. We'd really have to get specific about neighborhoods to talk sensibly about the options.

45 posted on 07/18/2017 4:09:32 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: gattaca

They’ll buy them online.


46 posted on 07/18/2017 4:14:45 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Skooz

Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
Cos I’m the taxman, yeah, I’m the taxman

And you’re working for no one but me
Taxman!


47 posted on 07/18/2017 4:17:26 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: sphinx
Your description of the advantages of a "complete streets" concept is great, but there are some major flaws in it. Motorists and pedestrians are one thing, but I have always found that cyclists are the biggest challenge in this concept.

The problem with a cyclist is that we expect them to operate within a paved right-of-way parallel to the direction of vehicular traffic. Pedestrians walk on sidewalks, and they cross streets in a perpendicular direction at controlled locations (intersections or crosswalks) where they can see traffic in both directions.

As a licensed engineer who deals with this sort of thing all the time, I can tell you that I will never, ever sign a street design that has a bicycle lane marked in the pavement with no physical separation between the bike lane and vehicular traffic. To me, this is a disaster waiting to happen -- and a professional liability nightmare as well.

This is something I've never understood about a lot of people who work in my profession and related fields (civil engineering, transportation planning and design, etc.). Here in the U.S. we've gone to such great lengths to improve the protection of motorists -- seat belt laws, airbags, advances in vehicle design, etc. And then we sit here and pretend that a cyclist with no more protection than a helmet, operating on the same street as cars and trucks, is somehow safe because we've painted a stripe on the pavement? LOL.

48 posted on 07/18/2017 4:19:32 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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To: mad_as_he$$
Your use of “neighborhoods” is an oversimplification. Very few people work in their local neighborhood, even fewer bike the extended miles to work.

This depends, of course, on where you live. I live in a neighborhood where over half of the people DO NOT take a car to work. Over ten percent bike. An even higher percentage walks. Such neighborhoods remain the exception, not the rule, but they are great places to live. And we are starting to create more of them, through gentrification of older cities and intelligent design in many newer cities.

In larger cities with a congested urban core, much of the growth tends to be in secondary job centers dispersed throughout the metro area. Some of these will mature into considerable urban places in themselves. So again: if you have a suburban office park surrounded by miles of residential development, it's kinda dumb to build roads that make it unattractive and often perilous for people living just two or three miles away to walk or bike to work.

Yes, a lot of people are still stuck with 20 or 30 mile commutes, but the planning emphasis should be on creating mixed use neighborhoods with housing, employment, shopping, and recreation in close proximity. This will create intermodal transportation opportunities for those who want it. There clearly is a market for this. The old model, which assumed long suburban commutes, becomes a logistical nightmare when a city reaches a certain size. In large cities, creating options that allow large numbers of people to minimize car usage is simply smart design.

49 posted on 07/18/2017 4:24:09 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: sphinx

Why not charge bicyclists who run stop signs a hefty fine to pay for the bike lanes?


50 posted on 07/18/2017 4:24:20 AM PDT by Mark was here (Fake news = "Hands up ... Dont shoot")
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To: Nailbiter

Per his qoute,this genius apparetly thinks the state is taxing the bicycle...
Morons..


51 posted on 07/18/2017 4:26:24 AM PDT by snappahead (if your gonna be dumb, you better be tough.)
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To: AlaskaErik

“I thought Democrats loved taxes. I guess only when it’s on others.”

My sentiments exactly.

Maybe a few eyes will be opened in Oregon.


52 posted on 07/18/2017 4:28:09 AM PDT by simpson96
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To: gattaca

It is Oregon, after all! So, I sit back and chortle!


53 posted on 07/18/2017 4:29:42 AM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: FreedomPoster

Fair’s fair. I pay through the nose every time I fill my car. The cyclists get to ride on the roads that I pay for free. Yeah, they’ll claim that my car beats up the road more than their bike. And they’ll claim that they’re saving the planet with their bike. But they will also whine about a one-time $15 tax on the purchase, even though they can ride the bike for 30 years tax-free after that.

And besides, who pays for the building and maintenance of all the “all-purpose” trails and bicycle lanes? It certainly isn’t a cost borne only by the users. It’s a cost borne by all taxpayers - the cost of many for the benefit of the few.


54 posted on 07/18/2017 4:30:58 AM PDT by meyer (The Constitution says what it says, and it doesn't say what it doesn't say.)
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To: sphinx

You need to visit northeast exurbia and watch the bikers try to maneuver winding hilly narrow roads built for horses and wagons.

Bike lanes—hah!

Bikers are f___ing dangerous to themselves and others on these roads.


55 posted on 07/18/2017 4:33:27 AM PDT by cgbg (Hidden behind the social justice warrior mask is corruption and sexual deviance.)
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To: sphinx

Great post, couldn’t agree more.


56 posted on 07/18/2017 4:37:16 AM PDT by Raymann
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To: BinaryBoy

“Prediction: Someone will start selling bikes with 25 3/4 inch wheels.”........

Of that I have no doubt.


57 posted on 07/18/2017 4:41:41 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Fresh Wind
Cyclists want motorists to pay for their special bike lanes and trails. They are saving the planet, so they feel they are owed a free ride.

Yeah, because everyone knows that "motorists" foot the bill for all the other taxes.

I can see you're quite happy to see people levied with oppressive taxation as long as it's not your class of people.

58 posted on 07/18/2017 4:42:45 AM PDT by onona (Stop stonewalling Judicial Watch and release the documents)
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To: FreedomPoster
I can completely believe that is the bicyclists’ viewpoint. They seem to think all those cool bike lanes and other amenities spring from nowhere.

Right. Cyclists pay no taxes what so ever. Got it.

59 posted on 07/18/2017 4:44:01 AM PDT by onona (Stop stonewalling Judicial Watch and release the documents)
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To: gattaca

Let me tell you how it will be
There’s one for you, nineteen for me
Cos I’m the taxman, yeah, I’m the taxman

Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don’t take it all
Cos I’m the taxman, yeah I’m the taxman

If you drive a car, I’ll tax the street
If you try to sit, I’ll tax your seat
If you get too cold I’ll tax the heat
If you take a walk, I’ll tax your feet

Taxman!
Cos I’m the taxman, yeah I’m the taxman

Don’t ask me what I want it for (Aahh Mr. Wilson)
If you don’t want to pay some more (Aahh Mr. Heath)
Cos I’m the taxman, yeah, I’m the taxman

Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
Cos I’m the taxman, yeah, I’m the taxman

And you’re working for no one but me
Taxman!


60 posted on 07/18/2017 4:44:42 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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