US Marines Test All-Male Squads Against Mixed-Gender Ones – And The Results Are Bleak

The Federalist Papers ^ | 8/7/2017

[houeto]

They had to end the article with "one important caveat" that many of the men had previously served in combat units.

Q: How would "having previously served in combat units" help the women get over the wall?

[mykroar]

Weak Link: The Feminization of the American Military

[montag813]

But, but, but....WONDER WOMAN!!!

[Arm_Bears]

In other news: Water is wet.

[aquila48]

This only proves what everyone knew from the beginning, that it’s an idiotic and dangerous policy.

But like police and firemen tests, this military test will be called discriminatory and will no longer be allowed.

[aquila48]

Reality will eventually dismantle their delusions and at a very heavy price, unfortunately for us.

[Paal Gulli]

Women in combat units is the equivalent of paying extra for a weapons system that’s less combat-effective. Even ignoring the damage it does to the cause of national security, it makes no fiscal sense.

[OldMissileer]

So, they added inexperienced females who had just finished their basic grunt MOS school into a veteran combat unit, and that unit failed to keep up with the all male units - PERIOD!!

Not quite accurate.

I know several Marines who volunteered to be in that study. It was not a cohesive single unit as it was a unit made up of both volunteers and voluntolds, a good portion of them were reservists (remember that most reservists have been over in the Sandbox). From what I gathered none of the males were fresh out of Boot. They all had been in the USMC at least for a little while.

The test was developed to make it as real as any training situation can get.

[Kickass Conservative]

Not a Ripley in the bunch?

[rlmorel]

I disagree with letting them in if they can perform the PT, simply because changing logistics, support, supply chain, and procedures to allow that small number of women isn’t worth the effort, and that is assuming they don’t even introduce the issues of unit cohesion or capability.

I am against having women on combat capable Navy ships for the same reasons.

[NormsRevenge]

Yeah, but who posted quickest to FussBook and sang the Internationale Red anthem best?

[USCG SimTech]

I love how the optimistic moron ends the article “hopefully”

Hope is not a method- I don’t think we should have to tell dead Marines and soldiers families “hopefully” anything.

If a factor in your calculations include hope, there is more room than not for utter failure.

[joma89]

I wonder which of these teams will be given ‘extra’ support and not be penalized for it.

JoMa

[TMD]

Don’t tell Google.....

[rlmorel]

It is all about muscle mass, the type of muscle mass, and the effects of naturally produced steroid (testosterone) in males that women lack.

This chart I produced, using medically accepted assumptions (detailed at the top of the graph) tells the tale:

[dfwgator]

They really needed a test to figure this out?

[wbarmy]

In essence, I agree, but having a wife who served and who was very HUA, I will counter that very, very few can actually pass the 18-20 year old PT test, and it is politically and culturally appeasing to at least provide the opportunity.

And as I have said many times; if the men cannot pass the test, they shouldn’t be in there also. And if I cannot pass it, I do not need to be doing the job.

[ExTxMarine]

Am I trying to make a case for women in combat? No. I am stating questions I hope and expect our military officials are grappling with.

I just wish the hell they were NOT grappling with these questions and issues, because we do not have a shortage of able bodies males to send to do the job.

More than merely allowing women in combat, my preference is that no standards be lowered or changed in order to accomplish that. I think as long as that remains the case, there will be a minority of women who will be exceptional, above average compared to females in general, and some who will match the average performance of males, even if they don’t match the highest male performance.

And even if the only females who make it to combat units, by being exceptional, are still going to automatically lower the unit cohesion, require additional supply chain issues, etc... This entire BS line of thinking is because the Liberals want the U.S. Military to be "diverse"!

The U.S. Military only needs to be as diverse as necessary to accomplish the combat mission - NOT satisfy some woman, man, liberal, conservative, or other feelings-based diversity test! Waste of time, money, energy, and effort, all to result in more DEAD Americans during combat!

[RegulatorCountry]

Sometimes, when one knows a given outcome is virtually certain to be unfavorable to one’s preconceived notions, poisoning the well by creating the appearance of a stacked deck can salvage those preconceived notions to live and fight another day.

[ExTxMarine]

I understand your clarification, and I appreciate it, but I think I need to clarify my original post.

I meant that the co-ed team also had combat veterans within their ranks. This is just like regular units in the Fleet. Every Battalion, Company, Platoon, and Squad is made up of revolving members, be they boots from school or experienced veterans from other units completing a base transfer.

Lastly, the entire Marine Corps is made up of volunteers and voluntolds - I know many people within my combat unit that did NOT want to be in the First Gulf War. But, they were voluntold to go when our unit got our orders.