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Trouble in the Seventh Fleet: what may be behind Navy collisions
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | August 23, 2017 | Jason Thomson

Posted on 08/23/2017 4:29:32 PM PDT by Jagermonster

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To: ping jockey

>Sorry. I get a little agitated when we start talking about specific capabilities in specific ways.

Fully understandable, I’m not upset.

>I also bristle at even the possibility of a carrier leaving port with any of her radars down and Phalanx offline. Good grief.

When I was told about it, I didn’t believe it. How could the navy have fallen so low? It just seemed crazy but the person I talked said it was normal. After seeing mess of the recent accidents I now think it’s true.

>In the Submarine Service there was no sense of humor whatsoever for inoperable equipment. It worked or somebodies butt was in a sling. No excuses.

I would bet the subs are experiencing the same moral decay the rest of the fleet is these days. Trump and Mattis need to be all over this. Obama may have single handedly destroyed our military by rotting it from within with his social experiments.


82 posted on 08/23/2017 11:09:11 PM PDT by JohnyBoy
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To: manc
Go and see the kind of people joining the Navy today, most want their freebies

No doubt about that. Obama turned our military into a jobs program. That's why he opened everything up to everyone.

83 posted on 08/24/2017 1:21:52 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: ping jockey
We NEVER had a situation where OOC equipment was acceptable. Everything was working correctly or we were working on it. The old , “ tag it OOC” just was not acceptable.

Accepting OOC for months of routine is unacceptable. Accepting OOC when the repair will take days and your submarine is interacting closely with the other side? Isn't that a whole lot better than standing port and starboard (or worse) and then going without sleep to repair an item for which there are backups and that will take enough time to fix that you will be out of that situation anyways? In a pressure situation, it is better to set priorities.

84 posted on 08/24/2017 1:57:34 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Jagermonster

I remember when a lot of FReepers were condemning Commanders for say that they needed more training funds if they wanted to stay in fighting trim....thought it was a waste of their money to do all that expensive training....Obama screwed us in so many ways it’s insane and a lot of narrow-issue (personal pocketbook in all things) idiots helped..


85 posted on 08/24/2017 3:23:37 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Jagermonster

“”This is good substantive reporting””


No. This is a lobbyist attempting to convince the public that spending more money on the Navy will fix all the problems and secondarily will fill the lobbyist’s pocket.


86 posted on 08/24/2017 3:35:15 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: AndyJackson
This is utter bullcrap. It does our sailors a disservice by distracting from the real leadership and training issues leading to poor seamanship.

Read my first sentence since you missed it the first time.

87 posted on 08/24/2017 3:48:34 AM PDT by canalabamian
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To: manc

What is MEPS?


88 posted on 08/24/2017 4:03:52 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The Left has a mental illness: A totalitarian psyche.)
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It is where recruits go and get their tests, and give their oath before they set off to their training base. if you are in a city there will be a MEPS station.
i sat there while my son joined the Marine Corps, and you could tell who was joining the Marines to who was joining the other certain services, though the Coast Guard all looked bright, smart kids.


89 posted on 08/24/2017 4:48:48 AM PDT by manc ( If they want so called marriage equality then they should support polygamy too.)
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To: Jagermonster

BS...... Excuses, excuses, excuses.

There is no excuse for a collision other than failure to maintain a proper look out. Those on the bridge faailed


90 posted on 08/24/2017 4:54:31 AM PDT by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column)
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Ship driving within the rules of the road is an extremely perishable skill-set. This is why the USCG, having recognized this decades ago, mandates 2 weeks of ship driving ROTR refresher training in maritime simulators for all their prospective CO/XO. (OPS officer school too)

Years ago these same simulators were used by the USN for sub XO and SOAC (OPS) school training before they got their own simulators. They spent 2 hours in the simulators total. Don’t know what it is now. I wonder if that’s where investigators need to start looking for a preventative solution. Training.


93 posted on 08/24/2017 6:21:33 AM PDT by USCG SimTech
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