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How California gun owners are legally keeping their AR-15 rifles
Fox News ^ | Aug 23, 2017 | Hollie McKay

Posted on 08/23/2017 9:19:23 PM PDT by upchuck

keeping their AR-15 rifles Hollie McKay By Hollie McKay Published August 23, 2017 Fox News A California 'featureless' rifle with fixed stock, no pistol grip, muzzle brake, maximum 10-round capacity magazines. It has a regular magazine catch. NRA/CMP competition rules were modified in 2017 to accommodate rifles like these from restrictive law states. A California 'featureless' rifle with fixed stock, no pistol grip, muzzle brake, maximum 10-round capacity magazines. It has a regular magazine catch. NRA/CMP competition rules were modified in 2017 to accommodate rifles like these from restrictive law states. It seems California lawmakers’ efforts to force rifle owners to register their personal details, or resort to cumbersome reloading or giving up their arms altogether, may have missed the mark.

Although months behind schedule, the State of California’s Department of Justice (DOJ) this week opened up its online registration for gun owners to enroll their bullet-button toting AR-15 rifles – now deemed to be “assault weapons” – in line with a controversial set of sweeping gun control laws signed into state law last year.

But gunmakers and owners say they already have come up with creative workarounds to be legally compliant but avoid giving the government even more personal information.

“The registration is seen by many as a trap to purge the owner since they ask for very specific information about acquisition of the original rifle that most owners don’t have or remember,” Steven Lieberman, a California-based attorney and founder of firearms training company Artemis Defense, told Fox News. “As a result, the ‘guesstimate’ as most would, they are potentially committing perjury.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; california
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To: upchuck

CA restrictions on the 2nd Amendment are Civil Rights violations.

Where is the Justice Department?


21 posted on 08/24/2017 12:09:12 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (I told you so)
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To: DoughtyOne
Just do what we do here in CT, where you have to show your CC permit to buy ammo...just drive 45 minutes to RI and buy ammo at the Wal*Mart just over the line.

Or get it online where some vendors "forget" to get a copy of the permit.
22 posted on 08/24/2017 2:13:28 AM PDT by ModernDayCato ("There ain't no Coupe De Ville hiding at the bottom of a crackerjack box." - Meat Loaf)
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To: faithhopecharity

“Californians will undoubtably comply with this new blatantly illegal BULLSH*T “law” just about as well as their east coast friends have complied there, at about a 2 or 3 percent level only”

Sooo, when Kalifornia secedes, presumably kicks out the US military, confiscates private guns, they’re going to be in a fine pickle, lol! Can’t wait...


23 posted on 08/24/2017 3:41:53 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: upchuck

“’featureless’ rifle with fixed stock, no pistol grip, muzzle brake, maximum 10-round capacity magazines. It has a regular magazine catch”

Geez, wouldn’t it just be easier to move to a new state?


24 posted on 08/24/2017 4:09:04 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: vette6387

“I have a “featureless” AR with a Thordsen stock and I shoot better with it than with a standard AR Pistol Grip and Collapsable Stock.”

I have a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch with bull barrel (original barrel sucks) that is another option. Shoots great and with the bull holds a tight pattern. Magazines can be bought in 5, 10, 20, 40 round capacity. Can squeeze off rounds as fast as a AR-15.


25 posted on 08/24/2017 4:35:27 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: V_TWIN

“Geez, wouldn’t it just be easier to move to a new state?”

Ummm, Texas is full. Might give out passes to allow Kali refugees to drive through to Arkansas though....


26 posted on 08/24/2017 4:41:57 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: DoughtyOne

What about reloading? Do you show ID for black powder? sheesh


27 posted on 08/24/2017 4:49:51 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise

My Dragoon still gets Fed properly.


28 posted on 08/24/2017 5:02:55 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: V_TWIN
"Geez, wouldn’t it just be easier to move to a new state?"

If you price in the cost of moving, this may be cheaper.

(Not to say that if offered a job in a lower cost of living, lower tax red state/2A state it shouldn't be a consideration.)

29 posted on 08/24/2017 5:22:17 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Gun buybacks are one of the most ineffectual public policies that have ever been invented")
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To: upchuck

Ah yes, “registration”, the step just prior to CONFISCATION.


30 posted on 08/24/2017 6:30:22 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: snoringbear

California leaving USA is a wet dream of most other Americans yes. But chances of that happening seem very remote. Imho I think it’s extremely difficult for a state to leave USA. Been there, tried that before. USA will most likely keep all 57 states for a long long time.


31 posted on 08/24/2017 6:56:23 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicans are not born, they're excreted." -- Marcus Tillius Cicero)
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To: ModernDayCato

.just drive 45 minutes to RI and buy ammo


I believe the ammo law makes that illegal as well, and California does have border inspection stations (to look for fruit). And then, I suppose they could station unmarked cars at nearby out-of-state sporting goods stores and record license plate numbers like some dry counties do for liquor stores.


32 posted on 08/24/2017 6:56:46 AM PDT by hanamizu
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To: hanamizu

Remember...this is Wal*Mart. Buy a T-shirt while you’re there. Legal Shmegal. It reminds me of driving to PA to get the good fireworks and lighting them off with the Police Chief on the 4th.


33 posted on 08/24/2017 7:09:14 AM PDT by ModernDayCato ("There ain't no Coupe De Ville hiding at the bottom of a crackerjack box." - Meat Loaf)
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To: ModernDayCato

“Just do what we do here in CT, where you have to show your CC permit to buy ammo...just drive 45 minutes to RI and buy ammo at the Wal*Mart just over the line.”

Stores and gun shows in Reno do brisk business in ammo. Last show I was in line to buy a case behind a guy with a hand truck getting STACKS of cases. Either he was a father of several diverse teen daughters... who liked to wear gold chains (white guy). Or he was a pimp with some hoe’s in tow.


34 posted on 08/24/2017 9:20:42 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: faithhopecharity
"USA will most likely keep all 57 states for a long long time." Hehe, got it😏. Agree, with the long long time. But, perhaps not forever. During my college days about a hundred years ago, needed an elective so took an anthropology class one summer. Actually found it very interesting. The professor said something one day during a discussion that has stayed with me for some reason; she stated "all borders are temporary". And, she was right. Read a book awhile back that I recommend; The Next 100 Years by George Freidman. A thought provoking book. Freidman is a futurist, a risky profession for sure. Anyway, his prediction for the U.S. and the southwest specifically is that it won't split up but may Balkanize into semi-autonomous regions, and Mexico may meld with Texas as one of those regions. I live in Texas and spend some time down near the border hunting and camping and it's obvious that the process is well under way and has been for several years. Anyway, so it goes 🙄...
35 posted on 08/24/2017 10:47:36 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: snoringbear

understood and agreed.

i was only thinking about the legal difficulties of secession, at least since the result of the 1860’s

in Californication’s case, though, not only do many Cali political hacks want secession.....but so much of the rest of the country would sing Halleleujah of Cali did secede...
that politically it would be perceived as a WIN-WIN by many


36 posted on 08/24/2017 10:51:40 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicans are not born, they're excreted." -- Marcus Tillius Cicero)
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To: faithhopecharity

“i was only thinking about the legal difficulties of secession”.

Yup, you’re right. Those pro secessionists who say “well, economically, we would be the 5th largest country in the world if a separate country” are assuming everything would remain the same after secession. The fact is not much of anything would remain the same. And, most change would affect the new country of California negatively. It’s not even a given that the northern half of California would agree to secession. It might decide to break off and remain a state. One thing for sure, all bets would be off once the game is started....


37 posted on 08/24/2017 11:26:34 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: doorgunner69
Actually that's the goodlooking Califlegal stock

Other choices


38 posted on 08/24/2017 7:51:09 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Winter is coming)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Dear God.....what a fiasco.


39 posted on 08/24/2017 8:19:21 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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40 posted on 08/25/2017 9:42:10 AM PDT by PROCON (#MAGA!)
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