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Another Possible Victory For The GOP
Townhall.com ^ | August 31, 2017 | Derek Hunter

Posted on 08/31/2017 9:29:54 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: jonno
In your entire post replace the words ‘pot/mj’ with the words ‘alcohol/booze’; then replace ‘stoned’ with ‘drunk’, and tell me why alcohol is ok, but pot is not.

Because pot simulates spirituality if used in even small quantities which makes it hard if not impossible to reconcile with God. Smoking pot causes our brains to get it spiritual "fulfillment" in a pot high instead of seeking God.

Drunkness is of course not good, but consumption of alcohol in small quantities doesn't impair our ability to have a real spiritual existence.

Christianity figured this out which is why drug use was taboo in Christianity for so long. The word translated "witchcraft" or "sorcery' in the new testament is the greek word "pharmakeia" (transliterated). The use of drugs among pagans was thought to be mystical or helpful. In reality it was practitioners of the black arts getting stoned and/or getting others stoned. This cut them off from God and allowed demons to influence them....it opens a gateway in our minds that demons exploit which is why scripture teaches Christians not do it.

Now if one removes God and the notion that we should strive to reconcile with God then there is no moral difference between the two. Of course without God and his laws there's no need to respect any morality at all.

21 posted on 08/31/2017 9:51:17 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: TheStickman
As a medical marijuana patient in Florida who no longer suffers from chronic depression & horrible anxiety because I use cannabis as medicine I disagree 100%.

Yeah, I used to smoke pot too to get high instead of dealing with my issues....

22 posted on 08/31/2017 9:52:08 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: NobleFree
Anyone who advocates "medical" marijuana is either knowingly or unknowingly carrying the water of hardcore leftists who want to destroy America. Legal alcohol hasn't destroyed America - legalizing the less addictive drug marijuana won't either.

Of course it will. Why do you think that the overwhelming number of leftists are all for drug legalization? Because they're patriots? Because they believe in the 10th amendment? Or because they know it's destructive to American society and culture?

23 posted on 08/31/2017 9:53:29 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: steve in DC

I am wondering if I can claim it has something to do with reproductive rights and get other people to pay for mine.


24 posted on 08/31/2017 9:55:12 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please be a regular supporter of Free Republic !)
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To: Kaslin

There are already 2 cannabis-based drugs approved by the FDA. They’re rarely prescribed by doctors because patients complain about the adverse reactions (and probably because they can’t smoke it).

These are the only drugs approved by the FDA where every single person in a clinical trial suffered adverse reactions. It’s hard to imagine they could be approved today, but who knows.

Considering that marijuana contains more carcinogens than tobacco, and that it affects your mind causing loss of memory and schizophrenia, its hard to understand why anyone wants to increase access to this.

In 1860, New York City made cannabis illegal, but opium and heroin were kept legal. Makes you wonder.


25 posted on 08/31/2017 10:08:47 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Kaslin; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican
Let’s be honest: there isn’t much to vote for in the in 2018 midterm elections.

Weeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaakkkk. Most Governorships are up, I guess this fool doesn't care. 10 rat Senators up in states Trump won and a chance to bust out of this disgustly narrow majority that can't even repeal Obamacare.

And this clown is talking about medical marijuana? Medical? The debate has moved passed that to full legalization. Thanks to medical getting it's foot in the door, by falsey claiming that weed is damn panacea.

26 posted on 09/01/2017 1:06:52 AM PDT by Impy (Anyone who votes to raise taxes deserves to get rabies.)
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To: TheStickman

I’m glad you’re happy dude, but getting high isn’t the same thing as getting better. Best of luck to you.


27 posted on 09/01/2017 1:11:32 AM PDT by Impy (Anyone who votes to raise taxes deserves to get rabies.)
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To: DouglasKC

“Yeah, I used to smoke pot too to get high instead of dealing with my issues.... “

Your use of the false knowledge fallacy is noted.

Since you’re obviously ignorant of medical marijuana in Florida let me clue you in on a couple of things. A) Smokable marijuana is not permitted or sold. B) I use vape cartridges & sublingual oils & drops as prescribed by my doctor.


28 posted on 09/01/2017 3:01:30 AM PDT by TheStickman (And their fear tastes like sunshine puked up by unicorns.)
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To: DouglasKC

“Drunkness is of course not good, but consumption of alcohol in small quantities doesn’t impair our ability to have a real spiritual existence.”

Neither does the medicinal use of cannabis in small doses. Christ is Lord whether I’ve been altered by a prescribed medication like Ativan or Prozac for anxiety/depression or by prescribed cannabis oil.

Thankfully for me, cannabis treats my anxiety/depression issues far better than Ativan/Prozac ever did AND I’m able to be more active in our parish to the point of being the bass player for the 10am Mass group. Plus, since I feel so much better these days (Thank you, Lord Jesus), attending Mass is again a joyful experience for me.


29 posted on 09/01/2017 3:09:29 AM PDT by TheStickman (And their fear tastes like sunshine puked up by unicorns.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

“Considering that marijuana contains more carcinogens than tobacco, and that it affects your mind causing loss of memory and schizophrenia, its hard to understand why anyone wants to increase access to this.”

Thankfully, as a medical marijuana patient here in Florida I have access to cannabis infused oils & sublingual drops so no one needs to smoke anything to use it.

I suffered from chronic depression & anxiety for decades. I took all the big Pharma meds in several prescribed combinations with little to no improvement over the years. In desperation, I tried cannabis & thanks be to God in Heaven, it works for me.


30 posted on 09/01/2017 3:16:27 AM PDT by TheStickman (And their fear tastes like sunshine puked up by unicorns.)
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To: Impy

“I’m glad you’re happy dude,”

Thanks. I am too. So is my wife.

“but getting high isn’t the same thing as getting better”.

Fallacy! One does not need to get high in order to get medicinal benefits from cannabis. Also, my quality of life is greatly improved (which it is) from using cannabis as medicine & there is an absence of depression & anxiety as a result of using cannabis. In short I am better, whether you think I am or not :)


31 posted on 09/01/2017 3:20:20 AM PDT by TheStickman (And their fear tastes like sunshine puked up by unicorns.)
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To: DouglasKC
Legal alcohol hasn't destroyed America - legalizing the less addictive drug marijuana won't either.

Of course it will. Why do you think that the overwhelming number of leftists are all for drug legalization?

Because they like to get high? And even if it's because they BELIEVE it's destructive to American society and culture, leftists' believing a thing doesn't make it true.

32 posted on 09/01/2017 8:25:10 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: DouglasKC
The word translated "witchcraft" or "sorcery' in the new testament is the greek word "pharmakeia" (transliterated).

Are you claiming that "witchcraft" or "sorcery" is a mistranslation, and that it ought more properly be translated as "drug use"? If so: how did every Bible translator get it wrong, while you know the answer?

33 posted on 09/01/2017 8:27:42 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: TheStickman

I’m happy it helped you.


34 posted on 09/01/2017 10:36:30 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Kaslin
"That concept that states have rights and the federal government’s power is limited by our charter document has been ignored by Democrats and the federal government for decades, mostly because feckless Republicans are awful at explaining it as a concept or they don’t really believe it."

You mean, like the author? If you are going to make a 10th amendment argument then you can't make the distinction between medical and recreational marijuana use. Such a distinction isn't in the 10th.

35 posted on 09/01/2017 10:42:51 AM PDT by mlo
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To: NobleFree; TheStickman
The word translated "witchcraft" or "sorcery' in the new testament is the greek word "pharmakeia" (transliterated). Are you claiming that "witchcraft" or "sorcery" is a mistranslation, and that it ought more properly be translated as "drug use"? If so: how did every Bible translator get it wrong, while you know the answer?

I gave you the greek word, in scripture, which was translated into the english words "witchcraft" or "sorcery". That word means:

pharmakeia
Thayer Definition:
1) the use or the administering of drugs
2) poisoning
3) sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
4) metaphorically the deceptions and seductions of idolatry

Part of witchcraft has included the use of psychotropic drugs. Drugs which altered peoples perceptions of the world around them.

The bible says specifically that those who practice such things will NOT enter kingdom of God:

Gal 5:19  Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 
Gal 5:20  idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 
Gal 5:21  envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 

Sorcery..drug use...is ranked right up there with every other fleshly sin. Sins to be repented of. Here's a couple of links that tell about witchcraft and the relationship to drug use.

How Witches Use Weed in Their Craft

The Roots of Witchcraft

Witches Brew

36 posted on 09/01/2017 11:24:53 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
1) the use or the administering of drugs

That definition is not restricted to recreational drugs. Are you claiming scripture prohibits the use of even medicinal drugs?

3) sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it

If this is the proper translation, as every bible translator has held, then the use of recreational drugs without sorcerous or magical context or intent is not prohibited.

37 posted on 09/01/2017 12:00:48 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree
1) the use or the administering of drugs That definition is not restricted to recreational drugs. Are you claiming scripture prohibits the use of even medicinal drugs?

The original point is that smoking or eating POT is NOT medicine. It's an attempt by the pro "recreational" movement to get pot legalized. Clearly there ARE medicines that can be derived from plants. But "medical" marijuana as it's practiced in the United States is NOT that. It's a bunch of people getting high and getting pot legally on the false pretense that it's medicine.

3) sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it If this is the proper translation, as every bible translator has held, then the use of recreational drugs without sorcerous or magical context or intent is not prohibited.

You misunderstand God's instructions. The point isn't whether or not there is "sorcerous or magical context" (whatever THAT is)...the point is that this use OPENS us up to demonic influence and pulls us AWAY from God no matter what the context these drugs are used in.

38 posted on 09/01/2017 12:07:06 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
this use OPENS us up to demonic influence and pulls us AWAY from God no matter what the context these drugs are used in.

Scripture doesn't say that, nor does my observation and experience confirm that.

39 posted on 09/01/2017 12:09:46 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Thank you :)


40 posted on 09/01/2017 2:56:50 PM PDT by TheStickman (And their fear tastes like sunshine puked up by unicorns.)
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