Posted on 12/01/2017 6:14:38 AM PST by GIdget2004
“the Democrats retake the house, whatever Mueller can dig up or falsify will be the perfect weapon for them to impeach”
Ryan (Romney) and McConnell (Bush) are just waiting for Mueller to give them the fig leaf they need, and Trump is gone.
The Democrats have nothing to do with it. At all.
Wow, what a twisted load of crap.
You think those of us who believe Trump has the Mueller situation under control and is likely to come out on top when all is said and done - we are the never Trumpers? We are the deep state?
You think those of you who second guess Trump’s every move, doubt his judgment at every turn - doubt he knows what hes doing or who he’s appointing - you think you are the pro Trump conservatives? You see yourself as his true defenders?
You really have this twisted around all backwards.
By exxagerating the threat of impeachment from within Trump’s administration, and underestimating Trump’s competence and underestimating the loyalty, conviction and competence of his inner circle, you are the ones (unintentionally) undermining the drain-the-swamp movement.
Have a little faith. Trump is better at this than you think. Sure, there are people everywhere that would have loved to see Trump fail - but it’s been a year (two years really) and they’ve got nothing on him and so far he’s proved to be very good at staying one step ahead.
Each small victory is exponential as the balance continues to tip in Trump’s favor. His enemies have fewer and fewer safe havens, the fake news looks more and more foolish. The Trump/Russian collusion meme has become a joke. As each new month goes by and the “end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it” scenarios predicted by the rabid left keep failing to materialize, the anti Trump resistance continues to lose steam.
Put your concerns in check, grab the popcorn and watch as this unfolds over the next few years - and then we’ll all have the advantage of hindsight - we can all look back and see who really had the upper hand in the winter of 2017. I say it’s Trump, you say it’s the deep state.
We’ll have to wait and see. Meanwhile, I’m cheering for Trump.
-> Wow, what a twisted load of crap.
The only thing that’s twisted is the sense of humor of those who are running the scam. Have you seen the legend at the top of LS’s Twitter feed, where he uses clown names for people in government as if this is some sort of SNL skit? This is serious business for those of us that want to get to the bottom of it, but appears to be just a game for for some who are more interested in getting off by yanking uninformed people’s chain.
-> You think those of us who believe Trump has the Mueller situation under control and is likely to come out on top when all is said and done - we are the never Trumpers? We are the deep state?
Those that insist without evidence that Mueller is after Clinton and not Trump can’t even think for themselves, much less devise a double cross conspiracy theory, I’m talking about the fools on Twitter that are trying to gain large groups of mindless drones as their followers. A good example is one that goes by the name Imperator Rex, whatever that is supposed to mean. He seems to have a near cult-like following, despite the constant illogic in his posts, a complete and total Joker figure. Hot on his tail thankfully is Navy Jack (@USNJack), someone who seems to have some actual credentials, and rightfully takes these matters seriously.
-> You think those of you who second guess Trump’s every move, doubt his judgment at every turn - doubt he knows what hes doing or who he’s appointing - you think you are the pro Trump conservatives? You see yourself as his true defenders?
I don’t doubt much if anything anything Trump has said on these matters, it must be those constantly claiming that Trump is lying every time he calls out Mueller and his quote “Democratic hit job” you must be talking about.
-> You really have this twisted around and all backwards.
Hysterical, coming from one of the posters claiming Mueller is actually after Clinton and not Trump. Or at least endlessly supporting those that make that claim.
Yet still not one shred of evidence to support that theory. Still no explanation why none on the Clinton team have been indicted. Still no one of any prominence backing them up, on either side of the aisle. And most importantly, still no regard for the fact it appears they are supporting the works of those like Mueller who are trying to get President Trump impeached. Either they’re not smart enough to realize it, or that is their plan all along.
I think the biggest difference between you and me is that I have a strong gut feeling that Trump is relatively innocent, making him a very small target when compared to the target rich environment of widespread and longstanding Democrat corruption.
This means that I think Mueller and team, regardless of what they may wish to happen, will constantly be presented with the same conflict: “If we follow this lead, hoping to find something on Trump, we open this can of worms, exposing more Democrats.”
I get the sense that you have a different assumption - that there is plenty to find in Trump’s dealings for Mueller to gin up into a case for impeachment.
Look, I don’t know which is true. I’ve been wrong before. I am going with my gut on this. However, there was another time in politics when I had this same feeling - during the Reagan years... I just felt we were on the right side and that with RR, I could trust him
I feel that way with Trump. I hope I turn out to have been right.
I think all Mueller’s digging will fail to damage Trump because there’s nothing to find. Regarding the crimes and coverups of the Clintons and Obama administration, I think if Mueller et al keep sniffing around top Democrats will suddenly start calling for the investigation to end out of fear that it’s leading back to them.
Then, either Trump will graciously agree to drop it and bury the hatchet, or he’ll come back with a vengeance and take no prisoners.
Part of me hopes its the latter - I want the Clintons to face justice and I want to stomp the fake news into the ground, - but maybe the former would be better for the country.
Short response since I am visiting family today...
I believe in Trump too, but he is in the crosshairs of many powerful people. And there is no indication of anyone in power actually targeting Clinton or her deep state supporters right now.
There is no overlap between Clinton and Trump investigations, so Mueller has a clear firing range. Thinking his hands are tied over concern for Clinton for any reason appears to be wishful thinking.
I appreciate your honest posts, but they appear to be wishful thinking and based primarily on desire, not fact. However at this point there are more than enough actual pieces of the puzzle to speak with more certainly about where we actually are now, and where it appears to be going.
Well, I think we’ve beat this to death, but my optimism is no more wishful thinking than your pessimism is paranoia. We have different opinions - I won’t discredit yours if you don’t discredit mine.
Neither of us really know the future - I’ll just hope my luck with this POTUS holds up as it has so far.
Have fun with your family, FRiend.
-> Neither of us really know the future
Not for sure, but that’s no excuse for wild unsubstantiated theories to take root, especially those that seem to aid and support the opposition.
-> Have fun with your family, FRiend.
Thanks, and Merry Christmas to you and yours!
I think some people are not misguided, but ill-motivated.
“...wild unsubstantiated theories....that seem to aid and support the opposition.”
I am going to have to deduct points for arrogance and condescension.
“I think some people are not misguided, but ill-motivated.”
True. Clear thinking takes a certain amount of strength and discipline. Some people are too lazy and compliant to bother with it, so instead they repeat slogans, platitudes, sound bites and bumper stickers.
“And it makes me sick to think that OUR side is seemingly just letting them get away with it.”
The Republicans are not on your side.
>From what I’ve heard this morning on FOX, apparently lying to the FBI whether under oath or not is actionable.
Yep. And typically that’s what the FBI charges people with if they can’t find a crime. Frankly, you should never talk to the FBI. They lie with impunity and if you state the slightest thing wrong you’ll end up in jail. Oh, and they can lie to you as much as they feel like it.
“And it makes me sick to think that OUR side is seemingly just letting them get away with it.”
The Republicans are not on your side.
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Sadly, true. The vast majority of them are simply uniparty puppets - no different from the Democrats except they’re even LESS honest about who they are and what their motives are. They’d throw our President overboard in a heartbeat, and applaud wildly if some lame-ass nitwit like Jeb! ever became President, because then absolutely nothing would happen to distract them as they build up their personal wealth and make connections to amass even more money once they’re out of office. If I sound like I have less than no respect for them, it’s because I don’t.
If you continue to support such wild unsubstantiated theories, you're not going to have anything left to deduct.☺
“If you continue to support such wild unsubstantiated theories, you’re not going to have anything left to deduct.”
I’m deducting points from him, not me. So what I have left is irrelevant.
Now I guess I have to deduct some points from you for commiting a non sequitor :-).
I don’t believe “Mueller is in Trump’s pocket”, whatever that means. I assume Mueller is no friend of Trump and would love to bring him down if he could.
What I believe is that Mueller has nothing that can hurt Trump, and Trump knows it because he has nothing to hide.
If Trump takes steps to resist Mueller’s investigation, he will only feed theories that he has something to hide. So, letting him continue to investigate has no downside and the possibility of upside.
I agree it’s a long shot, but there are so many corrupt leftists that when Mueller sifts through the data, conversations, records, databases, hoping to find something on Trump, it’s actually a target rich environment for exposing leftists.
Look at the sex scandal thing - they start out going after Republicans, and wind up exposing Democrats - because there are so many leftist perverts.
So no, I don’t buy any “wild unsubstantiated theories” that Mueller is working on Trump’s behalf. But yes, I think it’s more likely Mueller uncovers something on Democrats than on Trump.
Every time I make that argument, there are a couple of FReepers who come back with that straw man argument about how dumb I am for thinking Trump and Mueller are secretly best buddies - I never said I thought that.
I’m just not worried about Mueller - I think Trump has the situation under control.
You don't believe it, yet you say you don't know what that means? How does that work?
Btw, being in someone's pocket means whoever is in the pocket is being controlled, they're dependent, they're being manipulated, they're covert allies, they're being influenced by others, etc etc. Of course, based on your response above, you know this.
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