Posted on 01/06/2018 10:15:05 AM PST by NobleFree
“However when that price gets jacked up by state taxes, black market cannibis is again competitive.“
And then that state gets to spend it’s weed money on law enforcement which kinda defeats the whole purpose.
What Ca is doing though is allowing personal use growing. That’s a double whammy against black market pot.
1. Very few people are ever incarcerated for small amounts of possessions.
2. The fact is that people who use mj regularly have a host of personality problems, the ability to use rational and cognitive thinking, and have big problems with time/space assessment and many other issues. Of course, so do people who are drunk. But mj stays in the system a lot longer than alcohol and its effects are more insidious as dopers think “I’m perfectly fine” when they are not. Drunks generally realize “I’m drunk”.
Should psychotic people have guns?
Good!
I live in Southern Oregon and it’s destroying this place!
Ed
People who don’t live in places where mj is legal to grow have no clue what it does. In my valley there are probably 1000 grow ops, and only 120 legal in the whole county!
ROTFLMAOPIMP!
Can't stop laughing.
And very few heroin addicts or tweakers want to go to rehab!
It’s awful, this town has changed so drastically since it became legal.
My sister’s farm is surrounded by industrial growers, it’s sickening.
See ya’,
Ed
The memorandum he rescinded was no obstacle to that goal.
hmm, I haven’t read it, do you have a link to it?
I’ve read about gigantic industrial growers; I haven’t seen any in the IV, but hundreds upon hundreds of illegal ones, and of course ones that aren’t visible. People not around this hot mess (and who use dope themselves) have no clue at all. Hopefully the County Commissioners are going to take care of the RR-5 problem. Are these industrial grows on RR-5 land?
Sorry, but those who think that I am exaggerating what it is like in our neighborhood do not have a clue. And no it was not like this before legalization... not at all, not ever. People got the green light here to smoke all the pot they want wherever and whenever they want. The authorities are doing absolutely nothing meaningful to curtail it. And only a small fraction of it is from legal sources.
I could not care less what my idiot neighbors do in the privacy of their own homes but you give them an inch... and this is what happens. So I hope those who do not believe me get this nonsense passed in their states as soon as possible... so they too can start experiencing the same libertarian paradise that my wife and I now find ourselves in.
Precisely what has happened here in OR. Crime, car accidents, car fires, crime in general UP UP UP!!! Also the kind of car accident the drivers run away from....
At a time before pot was legalized for recreational use up here in Washington, my Sister-in-law and her family bought a really nice brand new house in a new neighborhood in Los Banos California. They were priced out of the market where they lived in Palo Alto so had to take a long commute. For the first few years everything was great there. They put more money into the house, bought a pool, the kids loved the schools they went to, etc. etc...
Los Banos had been a idyllic little rural town before people were forced out of the southern bay area by escalating real estate prices. Of course the new people took over the local politics. When they first moved in the town was extremely friendly and nice.... They had a little Christmas parade every year and it seemed like everyone knew each other.
Before marijuana was legalized for recreational use in CA... it was made legal for people to grow their own for medical use. In Los Banos the city council who was voted in mostly by the new residents decided that the authorities were not going to do anything about small grow operations within the city limits. It seemed that almost overnight word got around and nearly every house that was sold from that point forward in my sister-in-law’s neighborhood was turned into some type of grow house.
It wasn't long before their neighborhood and Los Banos as a city literally turned into crap. The schools our nieces attended went to crap. Word got around that Los Banos had turned into a sh** hole and their property values dropped off the chart. Their house though it still looked beautiful dropped in value from $700,000 down to $140,000. The crime rate increased greatly and they were burglarized multiple times. Our brother-in-law ended up getting transferred to Beal AFB which made the commute to Los Banos impossible so he had to rent an apartment near his new duty station.
They finally were able to make some sort of short sale and they were able to move to the Sacramento area. This messed up their credit for a few years, but things seem OK for them these days. They were told by their former neighbors that the people who bought their house were in the marijuana business. Big Surprise!!!
. If there are any inaccuracies in this tale of woe you can blame my sister-in-law, she has made it almost folklore in our family. But we witnessed the whole nightmare... her and the kids moved in with us when things got really bad while our brother-in-law was sent to the middle east during the second gulf war. But marijuana affects people in ways that a bunch of libertarian pot advocates never consider.
On a slightly lighter note... my parents live on acreage just outside the city limits. They have a bunch of cows. The property next to them was purchased by the state for “wet land mitigation” for a highway project.
So of course the state does absolutely nothing with the property, its hidden from the road and people constantly are planting marijuana on it. The problem of course is that the people who do this are criminals and many are dangerous and they sometimes set up weird booby traps. My dad has had to call the police multiple times, but it never curtails the activity for very long.
The growers are constantly screwing up my dad’s fence. So his cows get out and a few of them seem to have acquired a taste for marijuana and my dad sometimes doesn’t find them until they have eaten a bunch of the plants. Then my dad sometimes has a hard time herding them back to his pasture. It would all be kind of funny except that I worry about my dad’s and his cow’s safety.
I’m in Oregon. The neighbor’s kid, in his forties, smoked in the driveway every day. A neighbor got pissed and called the cops. Cops said there was nothing they could do, and the complainer was trespassed. That was before legalization. Southern Oregon has a long history with weed. It was decriminalized in the early ‘70’s. I fish at a local lake. I’ve seen a bit more open smoking since legalization...all ages. both sexes, but just barely open. You have to know what you’re looking for, and it was always there. I know of no one that started smoking with legalization. Does your State allow public smoking? If not, the.new law is being violated. Little Jeremiah tells me stories I believe. They involve violations of the current law. I know the local cops have better things to do than run around chasing smokers, It would be like chasing litterers. But the inability to police illegal grows is from a lack of money or political will. In Oregon, it’s both
To my other point. Sounds like you were surrounded by pot smokers before legalization. Was it a problem? Or is the problem that you now know they smoke pot? Personally, I think we’re seeing the signs of a much greater cultural shift. If folks are flouting the small laws, it’s because they’ve learned that there are no consequences. That goes to the heart of what I see going on in Washington, DC, and
Hollywood. This country nominated the poster child for getting away with it to be a major party presidential candidate.
How do you know your neighbors weed is illegally sourced? The State of Oregon can’t tell. I’m sure they’d be interested in your methods.
Exception: people don’t have to test homegrown recreational weed that they give away.
The reason I know most of it is mostly from illegal sources is because I know a lot of people who smoke pot. And yes there are restrictions on where people are allowed to smoke pot legally. Do you know any pot smokers who pay attention to the finer points of the law?
We were at one of my former co-workers retirement parties. It was at his house and they were showing off all the crap that they bought after he retired. Another of my co-workers asked, “How are they getting the money for all this stuff, are they growing weed?” We all laughed
They bought a beautiful place on a lake with a pool in Florida. When my wife and I visited on a recent trip, my former co-workers wife confided in my wife about how they go started and all the money they had made selling marijuana in Washington. They didn’t realize that they would not be able to do the same in Florida.
Don’t discount the cartels in all of this. They have international distribution in place. The same folks that move meth and opioids will move weed. So long as there’s money in it, anyway. Federal rescheduling and near- universal legalization ends much of that.
Oregon and California’s legalization schemes allow for individuals to grow weed in varying amounts, and give away surplus. That weed is legal. If they sell itthey’ve btoken the law. If the recipient sells it, they’re breaking the law. Your retired friends broke the law. I know plenty of people that smoke weed that don’t break the law.
I was amazed when I heard about California’s legal growing scheme. Seems like they were asking for this. I was trying to come up with a similar scheme for collecting income taxes on the honor system, wherein the state didn’t know total income and no one had to document money they gave away. Crazy. Seems that universal decriminalizatoon is the only way around the money thing.
Your Washington friends couldn’t legally grow for recreational use. So I assume they were buying and transporting across State lines. Sounds like they knew how to distribute on the black market. All of this came about because of legalization? Doubtful. Does ‘t sound like they’re too bright, either. Move to Florida without knowing or checking the weed laws?
Well of course they were breaking the law. At least 95% of the people we know who smoke marijuana break the law pretty much every day. They were getting away with breaking the law most of the time before pot was legalized. Now they get away with it all of the time. They break the law more since it was legalized because other than huge unlicensed grow operations the authorities do nothing to enforce the law at all. It takes about 2 minutes for word to get around.
The thing that we have noticed since pot was legalized for recreational use here several years ago is that it has become a free-for-all. In our area it is something that is completely out of hand. I do not like rules or government interference in our lives any more than anyone else. But decriminalizing pot is not good for our society any more than huge increases in minimum wages are good for jobs and the economy.
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