Posted on 01/19/2018 7:58:09 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
60 votes is necessary to pass with a FILIBUSTER-PROOF margin.
51 is all that is required to PASS THE BUDGET.
So, McConnell, GET IT PASSED.
If the Democrats want to shut down government, then MAKE THEM FILIBUSTER ON THE FLOOR LIKE WE USED TO.
I, for one, will tune in to hear about why they decided to shut it down, 24/7 until they run out of Senators.
It’s not just dreamers that democrats want in - they want all their relatives too.
We can kiss our culture goodbye... and the Republican party with it - if dems win on this one.
Not according to the new Reid nuclear option. We used his new rules to confirm Gorsuch for the USSC. Not surprised he had a fight with his treadmill after passing that new Senate rule. Not being an expert and don't know what legislation the Nuke Option applies to, that was the dumbest thing I've ever seen a dim/socialist do. Talk about unintended consequences. Har!
Well maybe, Pelosi passing Obamacare in he the middle of the night with NO Republican support was the worst. "We have to pass it to see what's in it". Pfft.
I believe the challenge here is that at the start of each Senate, the Senate passes rules, sorta like the House does with each individual bill. The rules prevent an old-fashioned filibuster from taking place by having the Senate simply move on once a cloture vote is taken.
There are ways around this: In 2019, the Senate can pass new rules; or the Senate can over-rule the parliamentarian (this is ugly, because it creates the legal problem of the Senate asserting that black is white, and relying purely on the fact that only the Senate can enforce Senate rules). I’m not sure if there are others.
What I’d love to see is the Senate once-and-for-all defeat the Democrats’ demands by ruling that the Dreamers’ bill is not germaine to a spending bill.
That’s a long overdue and welcome piece of news. It’s stunning when you realize how they operate.
“51 is all that is required to PASS THE BUDGET.”
But you have to get rid of Bitch to do that!
McCain is so sick that he can’t do anything except offer more criticism of the president from his death bed. Is there no mechanism in place that could have allowed the Republicans to legitimately replace him awhile ago? This seems very counter-productive, to say the least.
“Bills can be filibustered. To break the filibuster, you need 60 votes.”
That’s only because that is the current Senate Rule. It is not enshrined in the Constitution. It’s simply the way the majority party prefers to do business. They can change the rule any time they want, but they don’t want to.
I’ve said this myself 100 times. When are they going to learn???
McConnell wants Trump to Fail, and you realize that his actions make perfect Sense.
This morning on 560 AM radio in Chicago hosts Dan Propt and Amy Jacobson had on a Representative from 7th Congressional district in Wisconsin Sean Duffy who said they needed 60 votes and he never mentioned a filibuster. WTH? It’s on their website I can’t put link in post.
California has the highest poverty rate in the country... beating out places like Mississippi... And California has many of the wealthiest people in the world. That puts it in ‘3rd world hellhole’ status: broken peasants and creepy overlords...
That’s what democrats want for the rest of the nation... hold firm Trump... Hold firm Republicans...
the problem is there’s no 50.
They could just abolish the filibuster altogether but that would not be a good political strategy. Part of the problem is that McCain and Cochrane won’t be voting for health reasons. There are also some RINos and Rand Paul voting no. As long as 60 votes are required the GOP won’t have to explain why it can’t get the bill passed despite having a majority. They can simply blame it on the filibuster.
If we really had the majority the People handed Trump, it would be a shoo-in. As it is, we have a few that might be even further Left than some of the Dems....
By working to defeat Moore, they are -1.
Hope they are happy.
Agree - but by the same token, a number of us worked hard to foil Trump’s request we back Strange and he would have likely won by 10 or more points. It turned into a circle jerk and we helped.
Strange was unbelieveably compromised. Moore got smeared. The GOP saw to that.
That’s different, entirely.
The history of the constitutional option can be traced to a 1917 opinion by Senator Thomas J. Walsh, (Democrat of Montana) who contended that the U.S. Constitution provided the basis by which a newly commenced Senate could disregard procedural rules established by previous Senates, and had the right to choose its own procedural rules based on a simple majority vote.
The constitutional option was given further support in 1957 by an advisory opinion written by then-Vice President (and thus President of the Senate) Richard Nixon. In his opinion, Nixon stated that the Constitution grants the presiding officer of the Senate the authority to override Senate rules by making a ruling that is then upheld by a majority vote.
The maneuver was brought to prominence in 2005 when Majority Leader Bill Frist (Republican of Tennessee) threatened its use to end Democratic-led filibusters of judicial nominees submitted by President George W. Bush. In response to this threat, Democrats threatened to shut down the Senate and prevent consideration of all routine and legislative Senate business. The ultimate confrontation was prevented by the Gang of 14, a group of seven Democratic and seven Republican Senators, all of whom agreed to oppose the nuclear option and oppose filibusters of judicial nominees, except in extraordinary circumstances.
Who really cares if the government “shuts down”? Just make sure you don’t back pay the fed parasites when they return to “work”.
They not going to because RINO idiot Mitch McConnell thnks he is being noble or whatever and will not use the nuclear options......
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