Posted on 02/23/2018 8:56:56 AM PST by dragnet2
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Trump calls campus deputy who hid from school gunman a 'coward' and says: 'He certainly did a poor job'
'So he certainly did a poor job,' Trump repeated. 'But that's a case where, somebody who was outside, they're trained, they didn't react properly under pressure or they were a coward. It was a real shot to the police department.'
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“...He trained his whole life. When it came time to get in there and do something, he didn’t have the courage or something happened, but he certainly did a poor job — there’s no question about that,” Trump told reporters, referring to Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School resource officer Scot Peterson..."
And then there was this:
"...The president continued: “But that’s a case where somebody was outside. They’re trained. They didn’t react properly under pressure or they were a coward..."
He did not call him a coward. He suggested that is one of several possibilities. And that is undeniably, unreservedly, and without question, one possibility.
Good thing he wasn’t in the military...what he did was potentially a capital crime: misbehavior before the enemy.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/899
A courts martial probably wouldn’t be amused.g
Good thing he wasn’t in the military...what he did was potentially a capital crime: misbehavior before the enemy.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/899
A courts martial probably wouldn’t be amused.g
LOL okay
The deputy was a coward and Trump called him out.
Better than 17 dead.
“There are those who go to the sound of the gun fire and those who run from it. Evidently he was the latter. Wrong guy for the job.”
Given the general reluctance of police to engage the enemy as evidenced at Columbine and The Pulse, it seems there are a lot of “wrong guys”.
Yes. Correct on every point.
This is why I can see how the following phone conversation could have taken place.
PETERSON: Sheriff, there’s an active shooting occurring. What do I do?
ISRAEL: Calm down, Scot. Don’t do anything to endanger our agreement with the school. Remember they will lose money if there’s a incident on campus. And out crime rates will go up. Hold on - I’ll get right back to you....
(Meanwhile Cruz is killing away....)
If he were a soldier in a battle he would be put up on charges of cowardice. He could be facing a firing squad. Instead he retires with a big fat pension.
I have rehearsed my reactions, but I guess we never know. It is sort of an apples to oranges comparison, but I knew a combat vet that found he initially could not bring himself to shoot back... until a buddy got hit, and then he said it was like a switch had been flipped.
A lot of people have no idea how much soul-searching some of us do when we decide to carry. It is an enormous responsibility.
I think those terms have very different connotations.
I think courage and bravery are two different things, but are often treated as if they mean the same thing.
Like cowardice and fear. Some people treat them the same, but they aren’t. Many people have great fear, but do what needs doing in spite of it. Cowardice is the inability or unwillingness to perform a task due to fear
To say someone lacks courage is one thing. To say someone is a coward is something else.
Just my opinion.
Three unarmed students did stand their ground with purpose while under attack, enabling other students and faculty to flee. They didn’t gain that resolve by merely putting on the uniform. It was already a part of their character before that fateful moment.
Some of the survivors will be conflicted by their memories of themselves running in terror, in contrast with others fallen aiding their escape. News Service ambulance-chaser types pursue emotionally compromised victims for cheap political shots. Preying upon the freshly injured in such a callous manner should reap consequences.
I get the impression that for you, it is a distinction without a difference.
I simply feel there is a difference.
If someone said to me “You don’t have the courage to do ‘X’”, I would take it very differently than someone saying “You are a coward because you didn’t do ‘X’”.
Coward and cowardice? Really? Not according to the dictionary.
A person with a gun isn’t armed, like a person with a guitar isn’t a musician.
Training and dedication to effectively deploy the firepower and the courage to do so.
Peterson; “These colleagues work hard. We are crime prevention, an audit report will never show how much we prevent,” he said in response to a county official who cited an audit that discredited the program’s value, according to the Sun Sentinel.
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Btw, there might be video of Peterson saying this.
I would imagine, working as cop at the local high school as a SRO was seen as a "Cush" position.
'So he certainly did a poor job,' Trump repeated. 'But that's a case where, somebody who was outside, they're trained, they didn't react properly under pressure or they were a coward. It was a real shot to the police department.'
Looks like a direct quote, and Trump did use the word coward, but he did not directly accuse the deputy of being a coward so that makes the headline a lie, big surprise! All Trump did was say what all of us are thinking.
Conceal carry is a HUGE responsibility. It means that, no matter what, you will have to be the Adult in the room no matter your role or stake in a situation.
I went to a Sarah Palin rally in a big blue city some years back, and was carrying. I had a leftist get right up in my face, nearly nose to nose with me. The guy was berating me about my sign (that referenced fiscal responsibility) while I was trying to listen to the speakers, and I simply said “Look. I am not interested in talking with you.” and moved to the side.
He stepped with me, and I am a bit of a hothead, and I could feel my temperature going up. I repeated myself, in a calm tone, and stepped back, and he followed suit.
It was at this point, I realized that there was a group of people filming this. They were with him. He was trying to provoke a fight.
After more of this, people around me began saying “Look the guy doesn’t want to talk with you, why don’t you leave him alone? and things like that, and eventually he left.
I swear, I wanted to slug the guy in the face. But I couldn’t. I was carrying. I had to be the Adult there. Can you imagine the headlines? With freedom goes responsibility.
I often discuss this with people who don’t own firearms, and sometimes I get the impression they think anyone who carries is some kind of cowboy in search of a shootout. I have to tell them:
“I hope, as God is my witness, I never, EVER have to draw this weapon in any circumstance. If I have to, I hope I have the strength to do what needs to be done if my life or someone else’s life depends on it.”
Yes. It is a big responsibility.
No...not Coward and Cowardice. “Lack of courage” and “cowardice”. I don’t think I was clear in my post.
I do think those two descriptions have very different and powerful connotations.
Next to my keyboard right now is a folding knife with a locking blade. It’s not much of a weapon, less than 3 inches long, but if anyone ever bursts into this office and starts shooting, I won’t be empty-handed, and the wounds on me will be in the front.
I agree 100% there.
If he had a weapon on him, I think he should have been using it. Even if the policy he worked under said that he could “only use the weapon if he himself was being directly threatened” I believe he should have used it, and was wrong in not doing so.
FWIW, I do think the guy was a coward for not going in, but I also think it is not my place to say so, since I have never been in that situation and was not there.
As I said in other posts, I hope I could not have “set a perimeter” while listening to screams and gunshots and refused to go in. But that is me. If others call him a coward, that is, in the face of existing evidence,their right to do so.
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