Russian spy: Highly likely Moscow behind attack, says Theresa May

http://www.bbc.com ^ | 03/12/2018 | Unknown

[Rashputin]

A guy that flipped could probably share stuff he knew with more people than the Brits wanted him to.

I don't know about Kim but when you think about it, if the dead guy had contacts in Ukraine and knowledge about a few bad apples in Ukraine who gave Kim any help somewhere along the line, yeah, it's possible. And, as you say, it's his style.

[Mariner]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent

Very nasty stuff, 5-8x more powerful than VX...which is very nasty stuff.

It’s criminal to use it anywhere, but in a public, civilian place it’s especially so.

I wonder if there is any evidence it actually came from Russia? Certainly they had motive.

But so does anyone who wishes to diminish Russia. And a bunch of it was stored in the old Soviet states.

Don’t they have video? Everything in England is on video.

[lodi90]

Although we all know you’re stupid, we also all know that whatever else Putin may be, he’s not stupid. There are a hundred ways this pair of people could have been killed and no one would be any the wiser.
But, stupid people like to jump to their preconception related stupid conclusions, so knock yourself out.

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Wrong. Putin wants everybody to know it was almost certainly Russia that did this. Now impotent May will just be able to expel a few diplomats in response to Russia likely killing somebody. This is how Putin operates. Bully at home and abroad when he can be.

BTW, I consider it a great honor to be called “stupid” by a brain dead Putin bootlicker such as yourself. Spasibo.

[Mariner]

“Then Putin handed out the medals to Russian military involved in the invasion of Crimea.”

There’s lots of folks who hold no animus toward Russia for their paramilitary invasion of Crimea and Donbas.

What I don’t get is the folks who don’t think that’s what happened.

[lodi90]

But so does anyone who wishes to diminish Russia. And a bunch of it was stored in the old Soviet states.

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Your mistake is assuming diminshing Russia is a priority. Everybody wants to go back business as usual with Russia. Too much money to be made. The EU can’t wait to end sanctions and won’t help May at all.

[Mariner]

“He also claimed two of the Chechen separatists who took hostages at a theater in Moscow in October 2002 during which 162 people died were working for the FSB. He also pointed the finger at the FSB for having trained al Qaeda deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahiri.”

That’s a bit much. Not a credible accusation.

[RetiredTexasVet]

Not only the CIA but its mentors in MI6.

[Mariner]

“Everybody wants to go back business as usual with Russia.”

Many, but not all power centers in the West do.

Ukraine, where much of this agent was made...not so much.

I’m not saying Russia didn’t do it. As I stated they had motive. And certainly they have no compunction against political assassination.

But they most certainly were aware that it would be identified as a Russian Nerve Agent, and I don’t see how that would fit their interests.

But it’s not difficult to imagine plausible scenarios where Ukraine, Georgia, Jihadis from Chechnya or any number of state actors would also be motivated, and able, to do this.

And I think it’s important for the West to figure out, with some degree of certainty, just who did it.

[BeadCounter]

Of course the Kremlin is behind it. Too bad, we see the lack of class of the Putin trolls again and again, some have been booted, look at how they treated Nemtsov? These people do not represent the Russian people but only the criminals that run the country.

[BeadCounter]

Now, Putin scapegoats Jews; there is nothing beneath these people.

[lodi90]

Many, but not all power centers in the West do.

Ukraine, where much of this agent was made...not so much.

I’m not saying Russia didn’t do it. As I stated they had motive. And certainly they have no compunction against political assassination.

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Nobody in the west cared about Ukraine after Putin started shooting. The Germans want business as usual and they run the EU. The oligarchs running Ukraine likewise have no stomach for war with Russia

Putin wants to be the tough guy. No other country will kill like he does and that threat of escalation is what gives him power.

You can bet Putin noticed when POTUS dropped that ordnance on those “private” Russians fighters in Syria. I don’t expect we’ll be seeing any Russian assassinations on US soil while Trump is in the White House.

[NorseViking]

“German, Japanese and British agents behind drought, crop failure”
Joseph Stalin. (Pravda, 1932)

[NorseViking]

“” “” But it’s not difficult to imagine plausible scenarios where Ukraine, Georgia, Jihadis from Chechnya or any number of state actors would also be motivated, and able, to do this.”” “”

The most plausible version is UK doing this to get rid of turncoats who outlived their usefulness and also using it to distract peasants from the trainwreck their government is. Who cares about 1000 children raped by ‘Asians’? That’s non-news and also racist no note. Now, Boris and Natasha at large! Check your moose and squirrel status fast!

Also these assassinations usually occurs timed with Russia-related international events totally stealing the topic.

The most blatant example is killing of Natalya Estemirova right before Russian-EU forum in 2009. Nothing but that was discussed at forum as a result.

It might sound like a conspiracy but look at Assad starting to ‘gas people’ everytime he starts to win militarily.

Western intelligence community is certainly not above that.

Another plausible scenario is a former spy running an illegal nerve agent smuggling. As a corrupt former government agent he might got used to illegal profits which is not comparable with a status of exiled traitor.

That might be an arms deal gone wrong.

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[BeadCounter]

Russia has mainly state-run media, yeah, as if we are going to buy what they feed us. Another big joke. Lie after lie.

http://www.russialies.com/

Weapons to the Taliban, the Sunnis, aiding North Korea per our own administration’s words.

[NorseViking]

Read carefully that you linked.
It is as anti-Trump as anti-Russian.
Uke partisans running the site should get used to the fact that their girl Hillary lost, too.

[Psalm 144]

Theresa May said it. So it must be...

uncertain?

mendacious?

possible?

implausible?

Something weak, and ultimately at the service of transnational globalists.

[ETL]

From the Wall Streert Journal, May 30, 2008:
Dear President Medvedev
By TATYANA MOROZOV and ALYONA MOROZOV

“In three coordinated bombings of apartment buildings in Moscow and Volgodonsk in September 1999, 292 people were murdered, including our mother Lyubov Morozova. We are writing this open letter to call on you, Dmitry Anatolyevich, to order an independent, open and full investigation of these attacks.”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121209647875130625.html
_______________________________________________________

Russian Terror Victims Ask for Truth

In 1999, a series of apartment bombings shook Russia and propelled the country headlong into the Second Chechen War. Nearly nine years after the attacks, which claimed 292 lives, many Russians remain unconvinced by the official version of events, which holds that Chechen separatists were responsible.

Two sisters, who lost their mother in the attack, have written an open letter to President Dmitri Medvedev, urging him to mount a fully open, independent investigation. The sisters, Tatyana and Alyona Morozov, currently reside in Missouri. Their appeal (below) was published in the Wall Street Journal newspaper on May 30th.

–

Dear President Medvedev

In three coordinated bombings of apartment buildings in Moscow and Volgodonsk in September 1999, 292 people were murdered, including our mother Lyubov Morozova. We are writing this open letter to call on you, Dmitry Anatolyevich, to order an independent, open and full investigation of these attacks.

Although these crimes were blamed on Chechen terrorists and used to justify the resumption of a full-scale war against Chechnya later that month, there are numerous indications that Russian security services may have been involved. There is also clear evidence of a cover-up by the authorities. We do not consider this case solved.

Let us remind you of some of the facts:

* On September 23, 1999, police arrested three Federal Security Service (FSB) agents who had planted a detonator and RDX – the same explosive used in the earlier bombings – in the basement of a residential building in the city of Ryazan. The FSB explained the agent’s activities as a “training exercise,” claiming the sacks of explosives actually contained only sugar. The investigation was dropped and all evidence classified “top secret.”

* At about the same time, a Russian soldier discovered RDX in sacks labeled as “sugar” at his army base near Ryazan. The incident was never investigated and the evidence classified.

* On September 13, 1999, the Speaker of the Duma, Gennady Seleznev, announced that an apartment house in Volgodonsk had been blown up – three days before the attack actually occurred.

* Mark Blumenfeld, the property manager of our house on Guryanova Street in Moscow that was blown up, told our lawyer and several journalists that FSB agents had “talked him into” changing his testimony. The agents showed him a photo of Achemez Gochiyayev, a Chechen he had never seen before, and under pressure he “identified” him as the man who had rented storage space in the basement.

* The composite sketch based on Mr. Blumenfeld’s initial description of what the real suspect looked like disappeared from the police file and was replaced with the photograph of Mr. Gochiyaev. Meanwhile, our attorney Mikhail Trepashkin, himself a former KGB agent, told reporters that he had recognized FSB agent Vladimir Romanovich from the police sketch. Romanovich was subsequently killed in Cyprus in a hit and run incident that was never solved.

* In November 2003, on the eve of the trial of two Chechens later convicted for transporting the explosives used in the Moscow bombings, Mr. Trepashkin was arrested after a gun had been planted in his car. This prevented him from submitting Mr. Blumenfeld’s statement to court that the FSB agents had pressured him to give false evidence. The trial of the two Chechens was not convincing to us or the world as it was held behind closed doors and human rights groups noted numerous violations of due process. Mr. Blumenfeld’s statement and the replacement of the police sketch with the photo of Mr. Gochiyayev was never reviewed by a Russian court.

* Four people investigating the FSB’s possible involvement in the bombings were assassinated. Duma Deputy Sergei Yushenkov was shot dead in Moscow in April 2003 and his colleague Yuri Schekochihin died of apparent poisoning three months later. Journalist Anna Politkovskaya was gunned down in October 2006 in her Moscow apartment block and a month later, former KGB agent Alexander Litvinenko died of poisoning in London.

Many Russians have come to the conclusion that the bombings may have been the work of Russian security services. As for our family, our initial trust in the official version of a “Chechen trail” is long gone. We have come to believe that our mother and neighbors were sacrificed for a political end: To justify the war in Chechnya and help Vladimir Putin become president the following year. Only an objective investigation could make us change this view.

Mr. President, we are writing this open letter because we would like to believe that your ascent to the presidency will end this dark period in Russian history. You were not involved.

We realize that you owe the previous regime a debt of loyalty and gratitude. But the powers of the state were entrusted to you not to protect possible murderers. You are now in control of Russia and your position imposes a higher responsibility. Before history, the people and the memory of innocent victims, you have an obligation to find and tell the truth about these crimes.

Related articles:

* A Record Harvest of Spies

* An Open Letter to the Federal Security Service (FSB) of Russia

* Opposition Activist Revealed as FSB Agent

* Beslan Rights Group Charged With Extremism

* Russian Immigration Agency Knew Nothing About Morar’s Deportation

* Investigative Journalist Barred From Returning to Moscow

* Kasparov on His FSB Interrogation

Source: Russian Terror Victims Ask for Truth:
http://www.theotherrussia.org/2008/05/31/russian-terror-victims-ask-for-truth/

[ETL]

From the AP via FoxNews.com...
Last Living Beslan School Attacker Sentenced to Life in Prison
May 28, 2006

VLADIKAVKAZ, Russia — AP
A southern Russian court on Friday sentenced the sole surviving Beslan school attacker to life in prison, capping a yearlong trial that survivors and victims’ relatives say has left the most essential questions about the tragedy unanswered.

They demand to know just who bore the most responsibility: Nur-Pashi Kulayev and his 31 fellow militants, or the officials whose negligence or even alleged complicity allowed them to seize hundreds of children and parents on the first day of school in September 2004.

Countrywatch: Russia

“I did not go to court to become convinced of Kulayev’s guilt, but to reconstruct all the circumstances of the terrorist attack and find the truth,” said Aneta Gadiyeva, whose daughter was killed. “But I did not learn anything new and did not get any answers.” ...”

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197093,00.html

[Leep]

Since it’s not the US open independent investigations might be effective.