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The Pennsylvania 18th Result Tells Us What Everything Has Been Telling Us For A While
Fivethiryeight ^ | 03/14/18 | Nathaniel Rakich

Posted on 03/14/2018 1:12:13 PM PDT by Simon Green

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To: Simon Green

Another important takeaway is that the media push-polling is still invalid.

Try as they might to overstate the doom for Republicans, the results continue to demonstrate the lie. Republicans should take away a determination to f@ck with pollsters at every turn. Rather than refuse to participate, they should take part in any polling and tell the pollsters they support the democrat. The more skewed the elections become from the polling, the less validity polls will have in upcoming elections.


21 posted on 03/14/2018 1:50:02 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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To: pgkdan

EXACTLY!!! THE MESSAGING OF THIS RACE WAS TERRIBLE!

Just Red Meat for the reliable R voter, not a damn bit of message or reason or even attempt to engage and motivate the Trump I and D crossover voter...

This was complete ELECTORAL INCOMPETENCE by everyone in the GOPe sphere... Saccone’s campaign directly all the PAC’s etc....

The GOAL from day one of this race should have been reaching those I and Cross over Ds that voted for Trump and get them motivated to show up... and not 1, not 1 single solitary attempt was made to do this!!

Complete INCOMPETENCE from the top on this... The line workers busted their buts, I never saw so much hard concerted effort put into this district by the R’s, but unfortunately they were undercut and killed by bad and incorrect messaging and still almost managed to pull it out by their hard work.

They literally were lined up on an ice sheet by the GOP leadership and told run to the finish line....

MESSAGING WAS WRONG, INCOMPETENT AND INEXCUSABLE in this race, and if the messaging here was the plan for November, then the Dems will take the house, period.

GROSS AND COMPELTE INCOMPETENCE!!

They literally were running a Rove type campaign in the Trump world... STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!! Red meat for the base, but NOTHING for those who weren’t part of that traditional base!!!!

This race with proper messaging the D’s would have never been closer than 8 points, instead the R lost.... INSANITY!

TRUMP SHOWED YOU HOW TO WIN!!! YET YOU IGNORED IT ALL AND JUST KEPT DOING WHAT YOU DID BEFORE TRUMP!!! MORONIC!


22 posted on 03/14/2018 1:57:45 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Simon Green
Who funded the  libertarian  losertarian? What was his deal? Did he think he was contributing to a better America?

Tonight he'll be at the neighborhood tavern, seated at the table in the far dark corner. There he and 3 or 4 other outcasts will sip generic lite beer and celebrate their "great moral victory".
 

23 posted on 03/14/2018 1:58:17 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (CNN is fake news.)
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To: HamiltonJay

You’ll have to speak up, I can’t hear you. :-)


24 posted on 03/14/2018 2:00:54 PM PDT by Simon Green
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To: HamiltonJay

I agree with every single word you wrote! I sure as hell hope the RNC gets the right message from this humiliation. He may be a sham but Lamb ran a whole helluva lot closer to Trump than Saccone did. Idiots.


25 posted on 03/14/2018 2:01:30 PM PDT by pgkdan (The Silent Majority STILL Stands With TRUMP!)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
The more skewed the elections become from the polling, the less validity polls will have in upcoming elections.

I'd be more concerned with winning elections than skewing polls.

26 posted on 03/14/2018 2:03:16 PM PDT by Drew68
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I'd just point out a few things here:

1. The GOP lost a ton of credibility when it couldn't even do a half-assed repeal of ObamaCare after promising to do it for seven years.

2. Trump may have won in 2016, but he was also running against an awful candidate and damn near lost anyway. The likelihood of a groundswell of voter support carrying into 2018 is marginal at best.

3. Mediocre GOP candidates will lose to good Democrat candidates in many of these districts. Stop rolling out these dull characters with no energy who don't generate any enthusiasm among voters.

27 posted on 03/14/2018 2:06:14 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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#22: "They literally were running a Rove type campaign in the Trump world"

Yep. That's the truth.

The visuals on this Saccone were terrible. What year is it? 1968? 1978? 1988? 1998? 2008? 2018? Saccone looks and emotes like a generic Republican time traveler from the past half century.

But hey, it was "his turn'.
 

28 posted on 03/14/2018 2:09:05 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (CNN is fake news.)
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To: Simon Green

five thirty eight website is Nate Silver!
The same guy who gave Hilary a 98 percent chance of winning!


29 posted on 03/14/2018 2:09:53 PM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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We get it! Republicans are in deep trouble...actually, no - it's the Democrats who have real problems - if Lamb wins, it's because he ran as Trump-lite; pro gun, pro-tariff, anti-Pelosi - now let's see him vote that way, or risk the resentment of those who voted for him and feel betrayed - and elsewhere around the country, other 'rats are being forced further and further left by the ascendency of the likes of Harris, Sanders, and Warren - not a good place on the ballot in most states.....
30 posted on 03/14/2018 2:11:23 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Drew68

The GOP will do anything to throw the mid-terms. Unlike the Dims, the GOP is completely uncomfortable with being the majority party, and with power itself. This is so because in order to fulfill their campaign promises, they’d have to flip off their K Street underwriters.

I stopped voting for Republicans because they never do what they say they’re going to do. I stopped voting for Democrats because they always do what they say they’re going to do.


31 posted on 03/14/2018 2:14:35 PM PDT by huckfillary
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

It wasn’t really “his turn,” but he did agree to drop out of the GOP primary race for the 2018 Senate election in PA (to challenge Bob Casey) and opt to run for this seat instead.


32 posted on 03/14/2018 2:15:00 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: Simon Green

Aren’t there over 641 absentee ballots that have not been counted?


33 posted on 03/14/2018 2:18:08 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Simon Green

What about the military ballots?


34 posted on 03/14/2018 2:18:37 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Of course, last week polls came out showing Republican challengers ahead of Democratic incumbents in five states and close in three others. And, there was a record Republican turnout in Texas for the primary there.
35 posted on 03/14/2018 2:21:39 PM PDT by Kazan
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Aren’t there over 641 absentee ballots that have not been counted?

When you win by 20 points like Trump did, you don't need to worry about counting absentee and military ballots.

36 posted on 03/14/2018 2:22:54 PM PDT by Drew68
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How many millions of dollars did the Dems have to pump in to create that “over performance?

That is exactly what has been happening. The Republican candidates have been outspent badly. But that level of spending isn't sustainable by Dems and liberals come the mid-terms.

37 posted on 03/14/2018 2:22:58 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: HamiltonJay

Considering a Romney is now RNC chair, we can look forward to more of the same.


38 posted on 03/14/2018 2:28:00 PM PDT by slapshot ( Speaker Ryan is a sober and less tan version of John Boehner)
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To: Simon Green

Bwahahahahahaha! BS!


39 posted on 03/14/2018 2:28:34 PM PDT by Lopeover ( The 2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States!)
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To: huckfillary
Unlike the Dims, the GOP is completely uncomfortable with being the majority party, and with power itself.

Oh, without a doubt. Today's congressional GOP is the most cowardly gaggle of dickless eunuchs to ever sully Capitol Hill.

Sure, they talked a great game when Obama ruled by executive order and vetoed every bill that crossed his desk. Once Trump threatened to sign whatever they give him, they tucked their balls under their legs and curled up in a fetal position.

They're salivating for January, 2019, when they'll once again be the minority party and have to shrug their shoulders, "there's only so much we can do in this position..."

But at least they'll get a paycheck.

These pussies sicken me. And posters here on Free Republic wonder why they're not winning elections. "It's gotta be voter fraud!"

40 posted on 03/14/2018 2:29:17 PM PDT by Drew68
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