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On Torture
Townhall.com ^ | May 19, 2018 | John C. Goodman

Posted on 05/19/2018 5:31:08 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Carl Vehse

Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki targeted and killed hundreds of thousands of women and children in a most horrific manner.

I’m not saying I wouldn’t have done it - but the military justification, which was to terrorize civilian populations and collapse support for the war, makes the wide-area firebombing into a “military target” in only the broadest sense.


21 posted on 05/19/2018 6:22:01 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers)
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To: kevao

True that. The “man” is as giddy as a school girl. Disgusting display. Switched to BBC coverage.


22 posted on 05/19/2018 6:26:05 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (.)
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To: Carl Vehse

John Goodman: “The allied firebombing of Dresden in World War II had no military purpose. Nor did the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.”

Mr. Goodman would have scant good luck selling his brand of crazy to any of the Marines and GIs scheduled to make the first amphibious assaults of Kyushu and later Honshu...

Our own estimate of American casualties was 1 million taking the Japanese home islands...The bombs forced Japan to surrender, and saved millions of lives, on both sides...


23 posted on 05/19/2018 6:28:17 AM PDT by elteemike (Light travels faster than sound...That's why so many people appear bright until you hear them speak)
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To: mad_as_he$$
The “man” is as giddy as a school girl.

He's living vicariously through Meghan.

24 posted on 05/19/2018 6:33:19 AM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: Kaslin

Are we at war? Is torture worse than murder? Have previous POWs gone back to the battle field? Are we truly doing everything we can to win this war? What is the end objective of this war? War should never be fought unless you have no other option. But if you go to war and you want to win the end result must result in a cultural change by your enemy. Enemy casualties should not be considered. For they are not concerned about yours. So if torture achieves these goals is it appropriate? Does urgency important. Does this individual likely have the information you need or are you just fishing?


25 posted on 05/19/2018 6:39:03 AM PDT by Retvet (Retvete)
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To: Neoliberalnot

The nukes saved thousands of American lives.

And millions of Japanese lives were saved by causing them to surrender instead of continuing to fight a war they would lose.


26 posted on 05/19/2018 7:22:58 AM PDT by Paperpusher
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To: Neoliberalnot

The nukes also saved the lives of tens of millions of Japanese.


27 posted on 05/19/2018 7:39:28 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Jim Noble; elteemike; jmcenanly; Telepathic Intruder; Neoliberalnot
The delusion that Dresden had no military significance is another urban legend spun by propaganda guru, Joseph Goebbels, and his Nazi spin doctors, who claimed the only things in Dresden were inflated numbers of refugees and German porcelain figurines. It's been repeated since in leftist history books foisted off on school children. Please read Dresden: Tuesday, February 13, 1945 (HarperCollins, 2004) by Frederick Taylor for the true story.

Contrary to other leftist delusions, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military targets. There is plenty of evidence in military documents now available on the internet. In his The Making of the Atomic Bomb Richard Rhodes discusses Hiroshima as a military target (pp. 626-7) and Nagasaki (pp. 392-3), which had the Mitsubishi Munitions plant making torpedoes.

Also, civilians working in military sites and in military areas were warned to leave. If civilians specifically were to be targeted, the atomic bomb could have been dropped in a different location, especially in Nagasaki, for a higher civilian death toll.

And if the United States had developed the atomic bomb six months earlier, it is possible that the German military target, Dresden, would have been destroyed in a nuclear blast rather that destroyed by firebombs. Again, in war, that would have been completely and morally justified. In fact if Truman were to have decided against using the bomb, he would have been a traitor to the United States.

Of course some of the Allied bombing did hit civilian areas with no military significance. The Allied pilots (many who died trying) would have preferred to accurately bomb military manufacturing plants, oil depots, railroads, bridges and ball bearing factories, and repeatedly tried. But with factories and rails near some residential areas, obscuring smoke, poor accuracy, and occasional interference from the Luftwaffe and anti-aircraft flak, residential areas were sometimes hit with bombs.

Perhaps some would like the widows and orphans of Allied bomber pilots killed in Germany to send sympathy cards for the misplaced bombs of their husbands and fathers.

28 posted on 05/19/2018 8:39:35 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Kaslin

If you are in dry clothes and OK in time for dinner, its not torture.


29 posted on 05/19/2018 8:45:47 AM PDT by marron
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To: Bulwyf

They saved japanese lives too.”

Mighty white of Truman.


30 posted on 05/19/2018 12:30:46 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot (MSM is our greatest threat. Disney, Comcast, Google Hollywood, NYTimes, WaPo, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC ...)
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To: DuncanWaring

nukes also saved the lives of tens of millions of Japanese.””

Mighty white of Truman.


31 posted on 05/19/2018 12:32:30 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot (MSM is our greatest threat. Disney, Comcast, Google Hollywood, NYTimes, WaPo, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC ...)
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