Posted on 05/22/2018 8:24:53 AM PDT by yoe
In June, a California groundskeeper will make history by taking company to trial on claims it suppressed harm of Roundup
At the age of 46, DeWayne Johnson is not ready to die. But with cancer spread through most of his body, doctors say he probably has just months to live. Now Johnson, a husband and father of three in ( California), hopes to survive long enough to make Monsanto take the blame for his fate.
On 18 June, Johnson will become the first person to take ( the global seed and chemical company) to trial on allegations that it has spent decades hiding the cancer-causing dangers of its popular Roundup herbicide products – and his case has just received a major boost.
Last week Judge Curtis Karnow (issued an order) clearing the way for jurors to consider not just scientific evidence related to what caused Johnson’s cancer, but allegations that Monsanto suppressed evidence of the risks of its weed killing products. Karnow ruled that the trial will proceed and a jury would be allowed to consider possible punitive damages.
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Uh, huh. I’m well studied in the human microbiome, and biochemistry in general. That education, and my work in a related industry, makes it obvious when someone has no idea what he’s talking about. Again, not a personal attack, just an accurate summary of your posts.
Yes, and it deserves to be FIXED. (as in castrated)
There are good bureaucrats. I know some. But reality exists far beyond the walls of huge old building in DC.
>>Round up is a watered down Agent orange.<<
Umm, from a quick Google search: “The two active ingredients in the Agent Orange herbicide combination were equal amounts of 2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4-D) and 2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4,5-T)”
So, no, not a “watered down Agent orange” at all.
“Humans and animals do not use EPSP synthase. People fear glyphosate because they don’t know what it is.”
A great deal of flora in animal guts does require EPSPS. And we are just learning that gut flora affects nearly every body function.
Your gut is meant to have thousands of microorganisms in balance with one another. Eating preservatives, herbicides, pesticides and other poisons kills many of them. Upsetting the balance that can take years to restore. Those pills containing 20 bacteria are not even close to cutting it.
We must STOP spraying and using poisons. Including “organic” ones. I’ve grown my own produce for many years without poisons and simply let nature control the pests by encouraging predators and growing naturally strong plants with organic compost. Worst case, I get a few holes in my food. That’s how veggies were at the market when I was a kid.
Before I started growing my own I was sick every month and tired all the time. I had stomach issues no specialists could explain. Even with a balanced diet and exercise. Since I started growing, I have not been sick in years and feel more energy every year
I always use Google when I want facts/not.
Uh, huh. I'm well-studied in health, including the human body and microbiome specifically. That education, and my work over a career, makes it obvious when someone has no idea what he's talking about. Again, not a personal attack, just an accurate summary of your posts.
See my post 84.
Monsanto is heavily invested in their social media image. Any negative post instantly attracts “experts” who will insult you and say you don’t know what you are talking about. Far more so than for any other chemical.
They may be experts but only for a very small perspective of the overall biosphere. NOBODY has a full understanding of the big picture that industrial poison spraying will cause many decades down the road.
It’s unnecessary and we can grow foods just fine without any poisons. Man is far better and more creative than that. We must STOP depending on spraying poisons
Yes, I'm well aware of what is happening... plus the usual FR knee-jerk responses.
They may be experts but only for a very small perspective of the overall biosphere. NOBODY has a full understanding of the big picture that industrial poison spraying will cause many decades down the road.
Yes, I agree. It is still a relatively new field - having gained widespread interest after the medical establishment/drug companies created a virulent form of C. Diff.
I had to get up to speed and my interest in the microbiome spread from there. Fortunately, I had the background to begin connecting the dots, including traveling to another country to interview doctors, where the human microbiome was approached in a completely different way.
Just a couple years ago, they were telling farmers in Canada to spray wheat with Round-up right before harvest to increase yields. I posted that on FR and it was denied by many, including a farmer or two. I went to the Way-Back machine and retrieved the document that had been stripped from Monsanto's website and posted it to prove it. No one responded.
“A great deal of flora in animal guts does require EPSPS. And we are just learning that gut flora affects nearly every body function.”
Right on.
But not in humans. Your body produces all the enzymes it needs. Now, let's clarify EPSPS in animals. First, The toxicities of glyphosate have been thoroughly studied in mammals over the short and long term. Bioaccumulation and elimination have also been studied. Glyphosate has a very low level of toxicity in mammals and is not retained to a significant degree in animal tissue. Glyphosate is practically non-toxic by ingestion. The LD50 is greater than 500mg per kg in rats. That's really high. Glyphosate is probably the safest and most effective herbicide available.
Animals do not contain the molecular target (EPSPS) of glyphosate. Yes, the intestinal flora of some animals do contain EPSP but that has also been studied extensively. The results show that glyphosate ingestion has no significant effect on rumen fermentation.
All the hand wringing about this product is just that. Glyphosate is so far and away safer than what we've used in the past that you'd think the chemical illiterates would be thankful for its development. But no, as they have done for centuries, they continue to gnash and wail over things they don't understand.
If I am mulching, I spray it on weeds or grass and throw a thin layer of the mulch on a few hours later. Or if I'm in a hurry, I throw it on right away. Very few weeds grow through the mulch.
WOW, thanks!
“Yes, the intestinal flora of some animals do contain EPSP but that has also been studied extensively. The results show that glyphosate ingestion has no significant effect on rumen fermentation.”
Impossible to determine this for sure. There are hundreds of thousands of different gut flora and infinite possible interactions that change every microsecond.
Humans have consumed plants and microbes that use ESPS since we have existed. We are now spraying entire fields of our food with this poison that kills all of it.
Just because we think it only poisons “other” biology, does not mean it has zero impact on us. All is connected in ways we do not even begin to understand.
“But no, as they have done for centuries, they continue to gnash and wail over things they don’t understand.”
Because it is impossible to fully understand the impact of spraying and covering entire ecosystems with manmade chemicals that never existed in the biosphefore. It is folly to think we are smart enough to do such a thing and no amount of studies will make it a certainty. Man is too flawed to wield such power on all biology. Especially when trillions of dollars in personal gain are involved
How many cartons of cigarettes did he smoke each day?
I would ask to see his medical records and test results, but these shyster lawyers shop around to find doctors who will pencil whip things in order to tailor the lab results, etc to suit the case.
I use boiling water because it’s cheaper.
progressive propaganda has only the bogus 2015 WHO study to make a gazillion claims, like “increasing concern”, blah, blah, blah ... only “increasing concern” is a function of the leftist fake stream media. so ignore any statement predicated on that “study”, in fact, ignore ANYTHING that comes out of the U.N.
Progressive propagandists simply rely on the fact that the great bulk of people are basically scientifically illiterate .
https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesticide-products/glyphosate
https://www.epa.gov/pesticides/epa-releases-draft-risk-assessments-glyphosate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate#Humans
Once again, you do not need enzymes from any other source than your own body. It defies science to suggest otherwise. Glyphosate has been used for decades without any negative impact. Glyphosate has been tested on animals for decades as well. If your fears had any validity, something would have become apparent by now. Until there is scientific evidence to support your fear, your fear is irrational.
These so called "Man made chemicals" have been improving our quality of life for a long time. They have made our food supply safer and have contributed significantly to our longevity. Apparently we are smart enough to manage this for our benefit. You whine about these things but you probably wouldn't be alive today without them.
Once again, you are looking at a very small picture. Tests by humans are very very limited and scope and cant account for infinite possible interactions and future consequences when considering all possible products of decay in the future. We do not even begin to understand what can happen.
My ancestors grew their own crops without manmade chemicals and those who didnt die of accidents lived to 90+ years old. There was no family history of cancer or allergies since we started keeping records in the early 1800s.
Since the introduction of manmade chemicals into our foods, I have multiple family members who have died of cancer and a huge percentage are born with severe allergies today. Including allergy to their own mother’s milk. There is clearly something happening and the biggest change to our biology has been introduction of so many manmades into everything we consume.
Nobody can “prove” a specific cause because biology and our biosphere are so interconnected and complex.
Today I grow all my own crops and harvest/filter my own rainwater with no manmades even contacting my food. I have not felt sick in years like I used to when eating chemicals and feel better than I did in my 20s.
We dont need to use manmade chemicals on such a scale. We are smart enough to use what nature already has and feed ourselves without introducing unknown new chemicals into the biosphere. Unfortunately, chemicals are much more profitable than pure knowledge so here we are...
More whining based on facts not in evidence. If you had any proof that Glyphosate was damaging our food supply, animal health or human health you’d provide it. But there isn’t any so you can’t. You have your fear and a fixed mentality. Having feelings and anecdotes is fine but please stop conflating those feelings and anecdotes with evidence supported by sound science.
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