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The 6 billion Royal Navy fleet that hardly ever went to sea... (Warships can't sail in the heat)
THE DAILY MAIL ^ | June 16, 2018 | LARISA BROWN

Posted on 06/17/2018 1:05:50 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Britain's six Type 45 destroyers, described as the backbone of the Royal Navy, spent 80 per cent of last year in dock.

The ships, costing £1billion each, need a multi-million pound refit after repeatedly breaking down in the Persian Gulf. But the work is not due to start until 2020.

Two of the cutting-edge warships, HMS Dauntless and HMS Defender, did not go to sea at all during 2017 – which had been hailed by officials and ministers as 'the year of the Navy'.

All six warships, which entered service from 2008, were made with an engine system which cuts out in warm seas, leaving sailors stranded for hours in total darkness.

Britain's six Type 45 destroyers, described as the backbone of the Royal Navy, spent 80 per cent of last year in dock

This led to fears that these key vessels – designed to shield the rest of the fleet from air or missile attacks – had become 'sitting ducks'.

HMS Dragon spent 309 days in Portsmouth last year, followed by HMS Daring with 232 days and HMS Diamond with 203.

HMS Duncan spent the most time at sea, but was still in dock for 197 days.

From January to March this year, HMS Daring, HMS Dauntless and HMS Defender have not left port.

Shockingly, engine-makers Rolls-Royce claim the Ministry of Defence did not tell them the 8,000-ton vessels would spend long periods in warm waters so they were not designed to operate in the heat.

Insiders say a shortage of manpower, Christmas leave for sailors and routine maintenance had also been factors that kept the ships at Portsmouth.

Lord West, former head of the Navy, said: 'It is a disgrace that work on these ships has not been done as a matter of urgency.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: destroyer; royalnavy; type045; warship
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To: PAR35

No worries, man. Have a second cup of coffee. :-)


41 posted on 06/17/2018 5:55:42 AM PDT by Sam_Damon
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The whole “engine cuts out in warm waters/weathers” sounds fishy to me.

My guess is the Royal Navy won’t have the funds to deploy them so long as they’re still working on that supercarrier.


42 posted on 06/17/2018 5:56:03 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: mabarker1

Lucas was known as the “Prince of Darkness.”


43 posted on 06/17/2018 6:07:14 AM PDT by MisterArtery
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To: Laslo Fripp

If you are a good boy, maybe she’ll leave it ti you


44 posted on 06/17/2018 6:12:57 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming))
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Sad. Britain long ruled the seas.

What a fall.

5.56mm


45 posted on 06/17/2018 6:13:50 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Its amazing how sophisticated 21st century cons can be.

This one is right up there with Tesla


46 posted on 06/17/2018 6:17:46 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki


They should refashion this statue so that Nelson has his palm on his face
47 posted on 06/17/2018 6:23:28 AM PDT by Spruce
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To: sukhoi-30mki

So they designed warships that can’t operate in all-weather conditions.

The idiots who thought it wasn’t necessary should be shot for treason.

What good is a navy that can’t rule the seas?


48 posted on 06/17/2018 6:30:06 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A n Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever n)
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To: 3RIVRS

With the American military...

I once asked engineers developing an aircraft system how much heat the internal parts could handle.

“95 F”

I told them they would need to redesign it since there was no cooling system.

“Why?”, asked the engineer from northern NY state. “How often does it get hotter than that?”

I pointed out that in much of the US, and in places like Saudi, it gets far hotter than that on a flightline for months at a time.

They told me it wasn’t in the contract. And this is critical - I replied it would fail operational testing and not be bought, so they could fix it or never sell their system to the government.

They went back, figured out which part of the electrical system was failing, and made an upgrade for a couple of dollars that would keep it working past 160 degrees.


49 posted on 06/17/2018 6:36:05 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

However the politicians got their campaigns well financed and the apparatchiks conference/vacations.


50 posted on 06/17/2018 6:36:09 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: mabarker1
Why do the English drink warm beer?

They have Lucas refrigerators.

Joseph Lucas - AKA "The Prince of Darkness"

The Lucas Factory Motto - "A Good Day's Work, and Home Before Dark".

51 posted on 06/17/2018 6:45:10 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Three most annoying words on the internet - "Watch the Video")
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To: Spktyr
Nah, its the classic Brit problem - overreaching on their designs and then giving lame excuses when the obvious shortcomings that should have been engineered out are brought to light.

Maybe their engineers were involved in GM's brilliant decision to make a diesel engine out of a gasoline engine block. That and a 1981 Pontiac Phoenix were why I have not bought another GM product. :o)

52 posted on 06/17/2018 6:45:39 AM PDT by DeFault User
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To: PAR35

Panthers and Tigers were maintenance nightmares. The American Sherman and Soviet T-34s were much easier to maintain. Plus the Americans and Soviets built these tanks on assembly lines. The Krauts essentially hand built every one of the Tigers and Panthers. The would have probably been better off if they would have upped the production of the improved panzer MK IVs. JMO


53 posted on 06/17/2018 6:54:41 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Wow $1.3 billion for a destroyer? The Nimitz class aircraft carrier only cost $4.5 billion.

And these destroyers are not working properly? The UK is in serious trouble.

Does the face of Sadiq Khan, mayor of London inspire confidence for the future?


54 posted on 06/17/2018 6:55:49 AM PDT by poconopundit (MAGA... Get the Spirit. Grow your community. Focus on your Life's Work. Empower the Young.)
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To: Spktyr

You can bet that somewhere in those ships there are chains,sprockets and BITS OF WOOD.


55 posted on 06/17/2018 7:01:37 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: BradyLS

The whole “engine cuts out in warm waters/weathers” sounds fishy to me.

? Seawater worldwide runs between 32 and 95F.
A narrow range for a gas turbine with an operating exhaust temp around 1000F ??? https://www.seatemperature.org/

Yes, fishy.


56 posted on 06/17/2018 7:04:05 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (This Space for Rent)
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To: mabarker1

Somebody was able to capture the magic smoke? That is most impressive.


57 posted on 06/17/2018 7:04:12 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Bonemaker

Two front war. Again


58 posted on 06/17/2018 7:07:50 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: niteowl77

The Short Sterling was eventually removed from combat and used to tow gliders.


59 posted on 06/17/2018 7:08:51 AM PDT by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: Spktyr

Trump is right. This isn’t a technical issue it is a political issue. Our NATO allies have let us down. They are unwilling to spend on defense and are protections against our industries. The state of NATO defense is a joke.


60 posted on 06/17/2018 7:09:16 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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