Posted on 11/27/2018 2:48:33 PM PST by McGruff
I am really tiring of you damnable Russian trolls with this utter bullsh!it about how just because you b@stards have invaded some other country that it’s a reason for you people to steal it.
If I lived in one of those countries with a Russian population I’d force them to move back to Russia to make sure you scum don’t lay claim to it.
You sound like a bitter Native American. Are we talking about Crimea, or Oklahoma?
Maybe you haven't been keeping up, but the Russians invaded and 'stole' Crimea officially back in 1783. Let that sink in.
That's before the U.S. Constitution was even adopted. That's the year Britian finally recognized our independence.
Crimea has never been Ukrainian, except by Soviet fiat in the 1950s. The Russians 'stole' it from the Turkish Empire.
Explain to me how its worth a drop of American blood to enforce a Khrushchev-era politburo decision to re-assign political control in Crimea, particularly against the wishes of the current population.
Your argument for Russia to invade and occupy Ukraine is EXACTLY the same argument that the Nazis used to invade and occupy Ukraine.
The Nazis said they did it to reunite German speaking and ethnic Germans into the Greater Reich.
You bastards are no better than the Nazis if you’re going to employ their propaganda to justify your crimes.
You’re just making things up at this point. That or seriously ignorant about this topic.
Ukrainians are neither ‘German speaking’ (their alphabet is a form of Cyrillic for crying out loud) nor ethnic German. Ukrainians are generally Slavs, and were considered subhuman by Nazis.
So I ask again, why should we spill American blood to enforce a Kruschev era politburo decision about the administration of Crimea under the Soviet dictatorship? Particularly against the wishes of the supermajority in Crimea today. I want to hear your logic.
Ukranian soverignty and passage through the closed straight are two different kettles of fish.
Closing the straight between land masses joined by a brdge is in fact a Russian perogative.
The only question to be asked is what do you want to permit free navigation?
“You’re just making things up at this point. That or seriously ignorant about this topic.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Germans_in_Russia,_Ukraine_and_the_Soviet_Union
Can’t even be bothered to Google the question before calling me names?
And AGAIN: Issues of internal matters for Ukraine are NOT subject to the whims of the gaddamned Russians!!!!
Would you have gone to war with Germany in 1938 over the Sudetenland, based on what you knew at the time?
“Would you have gone to war with Germany in 1938 over the Sudetenland, based on what you knew at the time?”
Based on what we know happens when you don’t curbstomp a dictator at the outset isn’t it better to stop the Russians NOW before they move on from conquering Ukraine to invading Poland again?
Will you say that Poland is not worth the US fighting for?
Frankly, I expect the Putinistas on FR to repeat this same BS >> when << the Russians invade one or more of the Baltic countries.
Putin isn’t that stupid to invade Poland.
There was a lot more evidence at the time as to what Hitler’s ultimate aims were, it was all laid out in Mein Kampf.
Putin has made clear that he wants to bring back the USSR. That’s just as clear as what Hitler said.
“Putin isn’t that stupid to invade Poland.”
Yet here he is cooking up a casus belli.
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3709602/posts
Ethnic Germans in Ukraine were ~1% of the population. The Nazis invaded Ukraine (and the USSR) for 'lebensraum' and the promised extinction of communism, not because it was Germanic. That's why they tried to start actual colonies there of Germans and Dutch during the war.
before calling me names?
That's rich considering reviewing your responses I find the following:
"you damnable Russian trolls"
"you b@stards"
"You bastards"
I'd suggest you look below the comment box to this warning: "Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts."
Issues of internal matters for Ukraine are NOT subject to the whims of the gaddamned Russians!!!!
I've asked why you think Crimea should be subject to the whims of Ukraine. Whence comes this allegiance to the diktats of the Khrushchev era politburo?
And now you're begging the question of why Crimean matters should be a concern to the U.S. if they're not even supposed to be a concern to Russia. This should be good...
You’re not going to convince me that the Russian scum are right.
And WHEN your Russian friends attack another country I’m sure you’ll have yet more bullsh!t excuses ready to explain why it’s somehow right for Russia to run another cowardly sneak attack.
It's interesting how the only way you can find to hang on to you opinion is to not explore the reasoning that should support it. I've simply asked why you think a bureaucratic diktat from the Khrushchev's era politburo should be defended with American blood.
And WHEN your Russian friends attack another country
Do you consider the coup in Ukraine by the Obama administration to be an 'attack on another country'?
I’m sure you’ll have yet more bullsh!t excuses ready to explain why it’s somehow right for Russia to run another cowardly sneak attack.
The profanity is unbecoming.
Do you consider coups to be 'cowardly sneak attacks'?
I tend to be pragmatic about such things. The idiots in Obama's State Department thought they could further corner Russia by flipping Ukraine into the West's orbit. The nation itself is regionally divided, almost equally in 2014, by support for East and West. After a razor thin election didn't go the West's way they took steps to overthrow that democratically elected government. Hell, the Russians tried to head it off by releasing Nuland's intercepted conversations on the subject of who to put in as puppet! But Obama and his crowd still went through with it.
They simply couldn't comprehend that Russia would act in response. It was a miscalculation to assume Putin would let the West wrest Sevastopol from Russia's sphere. You know they conquered Crimea hundreds of years ago because it was a launching pad for attacks on Russia from Turkey? Read about some of the atrocities they've suffered and you can understand why they were never going to roll over on this quietly.
When you're aware of the full history of the situation, I think it shapes a different view. Of our actions, how they're perceived, and how they will be responded to.
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