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Should Public Transit Be Free? More Cities Say, Why Not? Mayors are considering waiving fares for bus service as a way to fight inequality and lower carbon emissions. Critics wonder who will pay for it.
New York Times ^ | January 14, 2020 | Ellen Barry

Posted on 01/15/2020 11:51:56 AM PST by karpov

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To: goldstategop

Understandable. There is a value to the Fire Department to me however. The bus system, not so much.


81 posted on 01/15/2020 3:42:13 PM PST by vpintheak (Leftists are full of "Love, peace" and bovine squeeze.)
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To: karpov

The New York Times should be free. The paper should also include coupons for free coffee and crumpets while reading the newspaper. Anyone in the world who wants to read the Times should have it delivered free to their doorstep. The NYT should also pay for a free Mercedes, so those who want to pick up a copy from the newsstand don’t need to take public transport. The Times should also pay for a birdcage to line the bottom with the NYT and a parrot to use the birdcage.


82 posted on 01/15/2020 3:52:08 PM PST by sergeantdave (Teach a man to fish and he'll steal your gear and sell it)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Also Senior Citizens rode free (I don’t know what sort of hoops they had to jump through to get a ride free card) - one explanation I heard was that they would be less inclined to drive if they could ride public transit.


83 posted on 01/15/2020 4:04:48 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: goldstategop

That’s a fallacious argument. Every taxpayer pays for the bus — whether or not they use it. Users pay a tiny fraction of the costs to actually use it. If users didn’t pay anything, then taxpayers (both users and non-users) would have to pay more. If you’re a user, you’re not paying twice — you are benefiting from the huge subsidy provided by non-using taxpayers.


84 posted on 01/15/2020 4:05:15 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: karpov
"That argument is bubbling up in lots of places these days, as city officials cast about for big ideas to combat inequality and reduce carbon emissions."

Urban transit buses do not reduce carbon emissions -- quite the opposite, in fact. In practice, transit buses use more fuel per passenger mile, than most private automobiles. That's mainly because buses travel mostly empty, most of the day. The additional stops also burn additional fuel.

85 posted on 01/15/2020 4:10:11 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: karpov

Ms Ramos thinks transportation should be free? Ok...how about the driver’s wages? Should they do it FREE, Ms Ramos? What about the fuel that drives the buses? Free to you and LIBERALS means you will be STEALING from the PRODUCERS, Me Ramos.


86 posted on 01/15/2020 4:15:59 PM PST by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is, too. :-))
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To: karpov

Here’s a better idea, get rid of the asshole who think they are being treated so unfairly. Free ticket to whine somewhere else


87 posted on 01/15/2020 4:35:25 PM PST by Bommer (2020 - Vote all incumbent congressmen and senators out! VOTE THE BUMS OUT!!!)
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To: GOPJ

I take the bus at times. Depending on the route, the busses can be clean to trashy. Here in Tampa, the busses on some routes runs from 4 am to 12 midnight.


88 posted on 01/15/2020 4:37:53 PM PST by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is, too. :-))
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To: KarlInOhio

Where I live, all of 4.6% is fares revenue. A bus pass costs over $75/mo. My car costs less to drive to and from work, including insurance.

Nuff said.


89 posted on 01/15/2020 5:37:36 PM PST by Don W (When blacks riot, neighbourhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: karpov

So saving $2.40 a day, for her trip to and from community college,

MA doesn’t give student bus passes to community college students? Social Services isn’t giving bus passes to the unemployed in training programs? No pass programs for the very low income? No senior-rides program?


90 posted on 01/15/2020 5:45:29 PM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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To: yldstrk
Regarding roundabouts: Yes and no.

The old style traffic circle (especially with traffic lights) were a horrific hazard, as you would enter at full speed, then suddenly have to stop if a light was red. Not safe at all. Modern roundabouts have NO lights on them. Instead, everyone entering the circle must yield (give way) to traffic already in the circle. Traffic in the circle has right of way.

It works remarkably well, and traffic flow is much smoother.

Watch a couple of these videos to see what I'm on about.

91 posted on 01/15/2020 5:49:52 PM PST by Don W (When blacks riot, neighbourhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: rfreedom4u

Road tolls, fuel excise...


92 posted on 01/15/2020 5:59:20 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: karpov

i don’t get it, why don’t they also make food education and housing free? maybe they hate poor people


93 posted on 01/15/2020 7:27:44 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: karpov
This is their dream!

94 posted on 01/15/2020 8:40:29 PM PST by MAAG ( “Tetelestai”)
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To: karpov

nothing is free.....everyone else will pay, pay,pay....around here we have those two part buses that are almost completely empty....the drivers get a wonderful sweet pension though......


95 posted on 01/15/2020 8:44:01 PM PST by cherry
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To: karpov

Low income inequality is a function of inequality


96 posted on 01/16/2020 6:22:21 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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