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OK, I told you so yesterday. Yes, remember when several commenters were calling me and others "racist" for warning everybody to not jump to conclusions? That the AUTOPSY had not been released? That the CAUSE OF DEATH was unknown? That we are still missing video from the middle, i.e., what happened between the initial arrest and the officers having Floyd on the ground. I nearly fell out of my chair when I heard the DA from Hennepin County state that there is "other evidence that does not support a criminal charge." OMG. This is exactly why you don't go out screaming MURDER. And exactly why you always wait in cases, especially any case tied to Benjamin Crump.
1 posted on 05/28/2020 4:48:19 PM PDT by bort
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Is “George Floyd” confirmably a real person?

Is this whole situation faked top to bottom?


261 posted on 05/29/2020 8:44:23 AM PDT by thoughtomator (here comes the switch to Hillary)
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This prosecution claim makes me think that this time the left might be right, that we might be looking at systemic racism.

Our legal system has a solid principle called the eggshell skull rule.

https://www.jrlawfirm.com/blog/general/eggshell-skull/

It says the system must accept the conditions of people, and rule on cases, as people are, and not as one might assume an average person to be.

The killing video clearly depicts Floyd, under the officer’s knee, saying that he can’t breathe. Regardless of anything else this tells us that for THIS person the force being applied is probably too excessive.

As the arrestee passes out and remains motionless onlookers repeated the arrestee’s pleas and pointed out the arrestee’s unconscious condition. Still the officer refused to even pay attention.

At the point of having the defendant handcuffed on his face it doesn’t matter what ensued in the lead-up confrontation. The defendant’s fate was completely under the officer’s control. His outcome was the officer’s responsibility.

The law will adjudicate the excessive-ness of force as it applies to THIS arrestee, and not to the excessive-ness needed for any hypothetical average arrestee.


266 posted on 05/29/2020 9:02:43 AM PDT by nagant
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If Benjamin Crump is involved you can bet the media will be used to the fullest to paint his picture. He has a team that work the media and the interviews as well as coach the families on what to say. It will be a huge spin no matter what the evidence reveals.


267 posted on 05/29/2020 9:09:50 AM PDT by caww
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There is NO excuse for this police officer to do what he did for as LONG as he did it - he should be fired and imprisoned for manslaughter.

However, George Floyd had a history of violent crime, armed robbery and home invasion. He was not the innocent gentle giant as the looney leftists claim.

It’s the same as Michael Brown who assaulted someone just prior to his attempted arrest. He also tried to get the gun from a police officer in his car, assaulting him the progress and then was shot when he launched an attack against the officer.

There are always two sides to these stories and having watched several versions of the surveillance videos, some are edited and all end just as he is going to the ground catching the one officer by surprise. It also shows him dragging against the officers as they approached the police vehicle.

Passing counterfeit currency is a federal office and with his previous convictions could have meant life in jail for him.


276 posted on 05/29/2020 9:28:34 AM PDT by Lions Gate
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WHAT IF?:

1) Floyd BIT or attempted to bite one of the officers?

2) Floyd SPIT on or at the group of officers? (would trigger a harsh reaction from cops in the age of Covid-19)

3) Floyd did NOT die of asphyxiation and had no neck injuries?

Am I the only one here who never got the impression Floyd couldn't breathe? He was talking wasn't he?

Looks bad on the cop's behalf but WHAT HAPPENED PRIOR TO THE KNEE EVENT THAT WAS CONVENIENTLY EDITED OUT OF THE VIDEO BY THE DEEP STATE MEDIA IN ORDER TO TRIGGER MASS RIOTING?

IF Floyd bit or spat upon the officers in this age of Covid-19, Chauvin's action is justified as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, I said it.

296 posted on 05/29/2020 11:05:14 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing (Get off my back for my usage of CAPS, especially you snowflake males! MAN UP!)
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Former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin arrested in George Floyd case

So there was enough evidence for multiple charges of murder after all.

You were saying?

304 posted on 05/29/2020 12:15:22 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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Later


309 posted on 05/29/2020 1:57:20 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Just Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election!)
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https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6933246/Derek-Chauvin-Complaint.pdf

CHAUVIN Derek, COMPLAINT

STATEMENT OF PROBABLE CAUSE (excerpt)

The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng held Mr. Floyd’s back and Lane held his legs. The defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd’s head and neck. Mr. Floyd said, “I can’t breathe” multiple times and repeatedly said, “Mama” and “please,” as well. The defendant and the other two officers stayed in their positions.

The officers said, “You are talking fine” to Mr. Floyd as he continued to move back and forth. Lane asked, “should we roll him on his side?” and the defendant said, “No, staying put where we got him.” Officer Lane said, “I am worried about excited delirium or whatever.” The defendant said, “That’s why we have him on his stomach.” None of the three officers moved from their positions.

BWC video shows Mr. Floyd continue to move and breathe. At 8:24:24, Mr. Floyd stopped moving. At 8:25:31 the video appears to show Mr. Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak. Lane said, “want to roll him on his side.” Kueng checked Mr. Floyd’s right wrist for a pulse and said, “I couldn’t find one.” None of the officers moved from their positions.

At 8:27:24, the defendant removed his knee from Mr. Floyd’s neck. An ambulance and emergency medical personnel arrived, the officers placed Mr. Floyd on a gurney, and the ambulance left the scene. Mr. Floyd was pronounced dead at Hennepin County Medical Center.

The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.

The defendant had his knee on Mr. Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds in total. Two minutes and 53 seconds of this was after Mr. Floyd was non-responsive. Police are trained that this type of restraint with a subject in a prone position is inherently dangerous.


318 posted on 05/29/2020 4:50:08 PM PDT by woodpusher
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http://www.minneapolismn.gov/police/policy/mpdpolicy_5-300_5-300

5-300 Use of Force

5-301 PURPOSE (10/16/02) (08/17/07) (07/28/16)

A. Sanctity of life and the protection of the public shall be the cornerstones of the MPD’s use of force policy.

B. The purpose of this chapter is to provide all sworn MPD employees with clear and consistent policies and procedures regarding the use of force while engaged in the discharge of their official duties.

(Note: MPD Training Unit Lesson Plans – Use of Force, are used as a reference throughout this chapter.)

5-301.01 POLICY (10/16/02) (08/17/07)

Based on the Fourth Amendment’s “reasonableness” standard, sworn MPD employees shall only use the amount of force that is objectively reasonable in light of the facts and circumstances known to that employee at the time force is used. The force used shall be consistent with current MPD training.

[...]

5-311 USE OF NECK RESTRAINTS AND CHOKE HOLDS (10/16/02) (08/17/07) (10/01/10) (04/16/12)

DEFINITIONS I.

Choke Hold: Deadly force option. Defined as applying direct pressure on a person’s trachea or airway (front of the neck), blocking or obstructing the airway (04/16/12)

Neck Restraint: Non-deadly force option. Defined as compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway (front of the neck). Only sworn employees who have received training from the MPD Training Unit are authorized to use neck restraints. The MPD authorizes two types of neck restraints: Conscious Neck Restraint and Unconscious Neck Restraint. (04/16/12)

Conscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with intent to control, and not to render the subject unconscious, by only applying light to moderate pressure. (04/16/12)

Unconscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with the intention of rendering the person unconscious by applying adequate pressure. (04/16/12)

PROCEDURES/REGULATIONS II.

A. The Conscious Neck Restraint may be used against a subject who is actively resisting. (04/16/12)

B. The Unconscious Neck Restraint shall only be applied in the following circumstances: (04/16/12)

1. On a subject who is exhibiting active aggression, or;

2. For life saving purposes, or;

3. On a subject who is exhibiting active resistance in order to gain control of the subject; and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective.

C. Neck restraints shall not be used against subjects who are passively resisting as defined by policy. (04/16/12)

D. After Care Guidelines (04/16/12)

1. After a neck restraint or choke hold has been used on a subject, sworn MPD employees shall keep them under close observation until they are released to medical or other law enforcement personnel.

2. An officer who has used a neck restraint or choke hold shall inform individuals accepting custody of the subject, that the technique was used on the subject.


320 posted on 05/29/2020 4:50:40 PM PDT by woodpusher
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This is what the media feeding frenzy does to people’s judgment, and it’s hardly the first time. Trayvon Martin and Rodney King are just the most immediately recalled incidents.


327 posted on 05/30/2020 4:17:27 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 ("SHUT UP!" he explained.)
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