Posted on 12/06/2021 9:24:23 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
Maybe the shooter has a brain tumor, or had strange treatment at home.
How’d he turn out?
You get charged!
And you get charged!
EVERYBODY gets charged!!
correct. I said from the beginning there may or may not be a case against the parents but we needed to wait for their side of the story. Now that the parents and their attorneys are claiming the gun was locked up it changes things a lot. But, the school’s own story made them look culpable. They claim they were so concerned with the kid’s mental state they wanted the parents to remove him immediately. But they ended up letting him go back to class without bothering to check his backpack for any kind of weapon. That’s clearly reckless.
Depends on who you ask.
I’ve had some interesting discussions with leftist teachers who are very much into “gun control”.
Note well that in every discussion, in all the “debates” about the education of children in a compulsory setting, they claim in no uncertain terms these children are “theirs”. Parents have no say. They “own” these kids. Sound familiar? It should.
Well how is it then, that they in the same breath claim have no responsibility whatsoever for the physical safety of their charges? The concept is an old one, “In loco parentis”. Try it. You cannot get them to admit they are liable for the kids safety in school. They should be held pecuniarily and personally responsible. Because they are.
I don’t like lawsuits, for one, because any damages awarded don’t come out of the school budgets. It’s no skin off their nose. The jury awards just means the city fathers borrow more money and float another bond against the taxpayer.
Time and time again, over and over and over, for decades now we’ve seen the schools, administrators, local, state, and federal agencies pass the buck on these mentally ill or drugged up defective individuals despite being duly informed that these individuals or groups are extremely dangerous. Everybody is hiding behind a wall of bureacratic BS, “privacy laws” and qualified immunity, byzantine regulations.
It’s a dumpster fire, I get that. Decades of leftist policies have destroyed the family, and millions of kids are out there with no fathers, and being raised by defective parents, single mothers, and abused and neglected. But the fact remains the schools have this responsibility to ensure their physical safety, practically before anything else.
And all the horses they rode in on. It's blood lust.
This feels like it is ultimately supposed to scare people away from getting guns.
That parents will be afraid to to buy them. That school administrators will report parents that they know to have guns, so that they can use “red flag” laws to take them away, if the child has any behavior problems at all.
I think that was the goal of the Rittenhouse trial, to make people scared to defend themselves with guns.
It is never going to happen but it should. The school and administrators are probably immune from civil liability, but not criminal. They could have suspended the student with or without the parents consent and are as much to blame as the parents for value ignoring any warning signs.
They should charge global warming and the pandemic too. Might as well get it all out there...
Not really, CC.
Michigan Compilation of School Discipline Laws and Regulations are remarkably comprehensive in that, it anticipated school administrators negligence, and only provides relief from their being "civilly or criminally liable" IF the foregoing safety, search, and seizure methods of firearms on school property are actually carried out.
Under Michigan Compilation of School Discipline Laws and Regulations 380.1313, the school administrators had not only the right, not only the responsibility, but were criminally negligent in their failure to follow 380.1313: (a) search Ethan's backpack; (b) report him to law enforcement; (c) seize the weapon; and (d) remove Ethan from school immediately and bar his return:
380.1313. Dangerous weapon found in possession of pupil; report; confiscation by school official; determination of legal owner; "dangerous weapon" defined.(1) If a dangerous weapon is found in the possession of a pupil while the pupil is in attendance at school or a school activity or while the pupil is enroute to or from school on a school bus, the superintendent of the school district or intermediate school district, or his or her designee, immediately shall report that finding to the pupil's parent or legal guardian and the local law enforcement agency.
(2) If a school official finds that a dangerous weapon is in the possession of a pupil as described in subsection (1), the school official may confiscate the dangerous weapon or shall request a law enforcement agency to respond as soon as possible and to confiscate the dangerous weapon. If a school official confiscates a dangerous weapon under this subsection, the school official shall give the dangerous weapon to a law enforcement agency and shall not release the dangerous weapon to any other person, including the legal owner of the dangerous weapon. A school official who complies in good faith with this section is not civilly or criminally liable for that compliance.
He’s off to bible college actually. Even he admits he was the source of most of his middle school problems. Basically, he had a 3 year brain fart where he just could not stop his mouth from uttering every thing that flitted around in his head.
He ate a lot of soap, lol. And I’ve seen his mother chase him with a broom.
School Officials witnessed the same troubling drawing as the parents. Both the parents and school should have checked the backpack. Both should not have allowed the kid to return to class. Both should have taken immediate steps to get an evaluation from a professional.
Lots of blame here.
Actually this may be appropriate. I read on one article yesterday , I think, that the kid had the firearm in his backpack during the meeting in the Administrators office. No one in the administrators office nor the parents bothered to check the backpack before the kid was returned to class. It that is correct then the school has direct culpability.
Of course it is possible the report is false, since it came from the fake news media.
They should be. I am betting the school counselor has a MSW with emphasis on education and psychology. I am also betting he/she used the RESTORATIVE DISCIPLINE/RESTORATIVE JUSTICE approach. This means instead of expulsion or suspension from school, the problematic or troubled kid is returned to the classroom and school activities immediately, allowing them to not feel punished or be ridiculed or branded by other students but to have a positive sense of growth from their experience.
Kind of like Darrel Brooks being released on a 1000.00 bail three days before he ran down and killed people.
“they ended up letting him go back to class without bothering to check his backpack for any kind of weapon. That’s clearly reckless.”
Is there a well-known justifying precedent or mandated procedure the school officials should have been aware of?
Justice sometimes requires that people not get punished.
Kids with backpacks are the norm and not the exception.
Also, if they ignored Ethan attempting to report being bullied, school administrators will be civilly liable.
Under Michigan Compilation of School Discipline Laws and Regulations [PDF] sub-section 380.1310b(8) only provides his school teachers and administrators immunity from civil action IF they submitted an official report of bullying under 380.1310b.
What appears to be their collective failure to do so has now exposed each teacher and administrator to civil action any of whom received notice from Ethan that he was being bullied and these reports went ignored.
380.1310b. Policy prohibiting bullying; adoption and implementation; public hearing; submission of policy to department; contents of policy; annual report of incidents of bullying; form and procedure; school employee, school volunteer, pupil, or parent or guardian reporting act of bullying to school official; modified policy; definitions; section to be known as "Matt Epling Safe School Law.". [Excerpted:]
(1) The board of a school district or intermediate school district or board of directors of a public school academy shall adopt and implement a policy prohibiting bullying at school, as defined in this section.(8) A school employee, school volunteer, pupil, or parent or guardian who promptly reports in good faith an act of bullying to the appropriate school official designated in the school district's or public school academy's policy and who makes this report in compliance with the procedures set forth in the policy is immune from a cause of action for damages arising out of the reporting itself or any failure to remedy the reported incident. However, this immunity does not apply to a school official who is designated under subsection (5)(d), or who is responsible for remedying the bullying, when acting in that capacity.
(5)(j) An assurance of confidentiality for an individual who reports an act of bullying and procedures to safeguard that confidentiality.
(10) As used in this section:
(b) "Bullying" means any written, verbal, or physical act, or any electronic communication, including, but not limited to, cyberbullying, that is intended or that a reasonable person would know is likely to harm 1 or more pupils either directly or indirectly by doing any of the following:(i) Substantially interfering with educational opportunities, benefits, or programs of 1 or more pupils.(ii) Adversely affecting the ability of a pupil to participate in or benefit from the school district's or public school's educational programs or activities by placing the pupil in reasonable fear of physical harm or by causing substantial emotional distress.
(iii) Having an actual and substantial detrimental effect on a pupil's physical or mental health.
(iv) Causing substantial disruption in, or substantial interference with, the orderly operation of the school."
I would love to see government employees held responsible for their actions - or lack thereof.
“There was also a drawing of a bullet with the words “blood everywhere” above it and a drawing of a person who appeared to have been shot twice and was bleeding. McDonald said the drawing of the person included a laughing emoji and the phrases “my life is useless” and “the world is dead.”
After the teacher found the drawing, Ethan Crumbley was removed from class and his parents were asked to come to the school immediately. A counselor showed the parents the drawing but Ethan Crumbley had already altered it and scratched out some of the images and words, according to McDonald.
The parents were told they needed to get Ethan Crumbley into counseling within 48 hours, McDonald said.
“James and Jennifer Crumbley resisted the idea of their son leaving the school at that time,” she said. “Instead, James and Jennifer Crumbley left the high school without their son. He was returned to the high school.” “
When entering Mexico from San Ysidro, California, pedestrians have to pass multiple metal detectors and a few very stern looking security officers.
“The parents were told they needed to get Ethan Crumbley into counseling within 48 hours”
There are millions of kids getting federally-funded breakfasts because their parents allegedly can’t afford to buy bread and peanut butter.
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