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Taleban close airspace, planes to be shot down - TASS[BRING IT ON!]
ITAR-TASS | 9/17

Posted on 09/17/2001 8:03:42 AM PDT by oxi-nato

URGENT The Russian news agency ITAR-TASS's Russian-language service quoted a well-informed diplomatic source as saying the Taleban government in Kabul had closed Afghanistan's airspace on Monday morning.

The source said the ban on overflights applied to all countries and also international organizations, including the UN. "The Kabul authorities have warned that all aircraft will be shot down," the source said, acording to the TASS report from Dushanbe.

The source said thousands of people, including Taleban officials, were fleeing Kabul, Kandahar and other areas. Information on the whereabouts of Taleban leaders "is highly conflicting". Source: ITAR-TASS news agency, Moscow, in Russian 0845 gmt 17 Sep 01


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1 posted on 09/17/2001 8:03:42 AM PDT by oxi-nato
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To: oxi-nato
I have been hearing some reports that both the Afgans and the Pakistans are massing troops at their border. Also heard that Afgans are pointing SCUDS at Paks. Will they go to war?

Richard W.

2 posted on 09/17/2001 8:07:55 AM PDT by arete (richard@mail.fwi.com)
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To: oxi-nato
Let's Roll

Oh, how the Sunshine bomb</font size="-2"> is bright in Afghanistan today.

3 posted on 09/17/2001 8:09:39 AM PDT by jae471
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To: arete
Scuds? I didn't think they had anything more than ak47's in their aresnal...and a few shoulder-launched missiles/rpgs

scuds?

4 posted on 09/17/2001 8:11:44 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: oxi-nato
Can these COWARDS be scared?? Can the desciples of satan be scared??

Americans would not flee their country if being attacked.

5 posted on 09/17/2001 8:15:35 AM PDT by undergroundwarrior
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To: oxi-nato
Hey Afganis....how can you shoot down something you can't see?? Ask old Uncle Saddam about that!!!!!!!

See ya around,..... but not on your radar screen!

6 posted on 09/17/2001 8:16:00 AM PDT by timydnuc
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To: arete
Also heard that Afgans are pointing SCUDS at Paks.

Idiots. The Pakistanis have nukes.

7 posted on 09/17/2001 8:16:09 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: maquiladora
They have the same type of arms as the Iraqi's do, except the tanks. The Taliban is not very good at bluffing. They are acting all tough, but they are messing in thier shorts BIG TIME.

The only way to take care of the terrorists, is to make sure that when we are done, that all Fundamentalist Islamics that are left, fear us, more then they hate us. Fear will be thier watchword. When some fundamentalist Islamic Cleric declares Jihad, his congregation will look at him like he is nuts, and walk out of the Mosque thinking, "we know how this game goes, and we ain't playing!!"

Thier fear will be our strength, we must make sure that thier fear is FAR stronger then thier hate!!
8 posted on 09/17/2001 8:18:18 AM PDT by Aric2000
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To: oxi-nato
Does anyone in the world, even the Taleban, doubt that the US will have air superiority over Afghan anytime they wish.

Afghan doesn't have the low tech that even Iraq has, and we fly anywhere in Iraq that we wish.

I suspect they'll lose their anti-air assets any time they "light up" any of our aircraft. Each asset lost for them is nearly irreplaceable given their economic situation.

Their old stingers might be considered a tool against us, but I've always been taught that our equipment is manufactured with us knowing how to defeat our own stuff should it ever be used against us. Besides, it's very old by now.

Finally, our spec ops trained them. We know where and how they hide.

9 posted on 09/17/2001 8:19:00 AM PDT by xzins
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To: timydnuc
Their radar is one lone fellow standing on a mountain with a pair of glasses looking and, with a freshly issued pair of combat boots with 'reverse' built it. Ben Laden is gonna Ben Bombed.
10 posted on 09/17/2001 8:19:56 AM PDT by gulfcoast6
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To: arete
They already have gone to war. They did when they hit our civilian targets, and they have in Chechnya. The Chechnyan rebels are Bin Laden trained, and most likely directed.
11 posted on 09/17/2001 8:20:54 AM PDT by Hugh Akston
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To: Aric2000
They are acting all tough, but they are messing in thier shorts BIG TIME.

From the Washington Times:

"If any regional or neighboring country helps the United States attack us, it would spark extraordinary dangers. It would draw us into a reprisal war," said Abdul Salam Zaeef, Afghan ambassador to Pakistan.
"If neighboring or regional countries, particularly Islamic countries, give positive response to American demands for military bases it would spark off extraordinary danger," Mr. Zaeef said. "We would attack such countries and occupy their territories."
[emphasis added]
Oh, yeah, that's a credible threat.
12 posted on 09/17/2001 8:24:34 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: undergroundwarrior
Americans would not flee their country if being attacked.

Real Americans would not. But some people living here, calling themselves Americans, would.

13 posted on 09/17/2001 8:26:55 AM PDT by VoodooEconomist
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To: timydnuc
Do you really think they haven't gotten a few words from the Pakis and the ChiComs on bringing down advanced equipment? The Serbs brought down one of our great toys while being advised by China's military diplomatic staff (some say that's the real reason our pilot hit the place). And China was upgrading Iraq's defenses with the same goal in mind; Remember Bush said he intentionally timed a strike for when Chinese workers would be off of the site?

I think we are walking into at least a bit of a trap here. The lousy thing is there's not much else we can do.

14 posted on 09/17/2001 8:34:28 AM PDT by American Soldier
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To: oxi-nato
Not one shot fired, and they are already on the run!

All this maybe part of the plan, this will be a different operation then 1991.

15 posted on 09/17/2001 8:35:01 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: oxi-nato
10,9,8,7,6.....
16 posted on 09/17/2001 8:37:07 AM PDT by Patriot
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To: arete
Where are all of these butt hook countries getting these skud missiles?

Things that make you say "What the hell?"

17 posted on 09/17/2001 9:04:27 AM PDT by alaskanfan
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To: steve-b
If Schumer, Boxer, Clinton and a few others like them had their way, occupying the United States would be credible threat. As it stands, let them have a poke at it. I have some dirt they can have in 2x6x6 foot increments. It will be co-occupancy though as I will be using the upper level.
18 posted on 09/17/2001 9:14:36 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: B Knotts
"Idiots. The Pakistanis have nukes."

ROFLMAO!!!!

19 posted on 09/17/2001 9:15:31 AM PDT by DJ88
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To: VoodooEconomist
Like x42 and 97? Would they count?
20 posted on 09/17/2001 9:17:09 AM PDT by DJ88
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To: timydnuc
"Hey Afganis....how can you shoot down something you can't see??"

Say Afgans, remember reading about the 1972, B-52 Xmas raids over North Vietnam? Two weeks and North Vietnam ran to the peace table!
And now the Afgan's have massed 20,000 troops on the border with the Paks...I say, UNLEASH THE DOGS - SEND THE B-52'S.

21 posted on 09/17/2001 9:36:42 AM PDT by ChaseR
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To: B Knotts
Idiots. The Pakistanis have nukes.

The pakistanis also know that if those nukes are used on muslims, by muslims, doing what the us has asked, they will do more recruiting for muslim fundamentalism than pretty much anything else. Acquainted with the number of fundamentalists in pakistan, the pakistani leadership are probably leery of adding to their numbers.

22 posted on 09/17/2001 9:43:05 AM PDT by gfactor
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To: undergroundwarrior
Can these COWARDS be scared??

I'm having a real hard time with why the taliban are being called cowards. They're obviously going to be blown to bits, basically for suspected (as far as the public knows) involvement in the WTC attack. Whats cowardly about that? Are people really able to assume that these people both (1) are cowards and (2) are going to be blown apart?

If cowardly is hitting your enemies when they can't strike back, maybe we should re-examine the serbia and iraq wars...

23 posted on 09/17/2001 9:48:21 AM PDT by gfactor
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To: oxi-nato
The source said thousands of people, including Taleban officials, were fleeing Kabul, Kandahar and other areas. It seems our reputation is well-known even in such a backward country.
24 posted on 09/17/2001 9:59:59 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: oxi-nato
If the Taliban are massing their forces on their borders and fleeing Kabul, who is defending Kabul and Kabul's airport. I would think the Northern Alliance with the assistance of US special forces, SAS, and air cover could take over the Afghan government, declare the Taliban's to be criminals, and we could start landing air transports at Kabul airport.
25 posted on 09/17/2001 10:09:26 AM PDT by yoswif
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To: gfactor
"Whats cowardly about that? Are people really able to assume that these people both (1) are cowards and (2) are going to be blown apart? "

What is their choice? Just because someone is blown to bits doesn't mean they are brave. It just means they are dead. And I strongly suspect that might happen.

26 posted on 09/17/2001 10:10:11 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: gfactor
If cowardly is hitting your enemies when they can't strike back, maybe we should re-examine the serbia and iraq wars...

Maybe "cowardly" is not having the intestinal fortitude to admit it was you who committed an act of war.

Nearly a week and still no claim of responsibility, still no reason given, still no message delivered. Did they not believe that the buildings would collapse? Did they underestimate our anger? Or were they always cowards who planned from the start to hide after they hit.

Memo to terrorists: The bombs we send will be signed.

It won't say, "From U.S. with Love."

Shalom.

27 posted on 09/17/2001 10:11:13 AM PDT by ArGee
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To: oxi-nato
WTC & Pentagon attacks

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28 posted on 09/17/2001 10:26:41 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: oxi-nato
I know where the Talaban is.

Under a rock, filling their pants.

Now if I only new which rock.

29 posted on 09/17/2001 10:30:33 AM PDT by eFudd
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To: oxi-nato
"Taleban close airspace"

Does this mean they've outlawed rock throwing?

30 posted on 09/17/2001 10:49:23 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: steve-b

OUR REPLY ...

90,000 Tons of diplomacy ... WHERE ITS NEEDED WHEN ITS NEEDED!

"Uhhhhh ... We got a Overnight Express package for Mr. Bin Laden!"

When it absolutely positively has to be destroyed overnight ... call the U.S. Navy! We Deliver!

31 posted on 09/17/2001 10:52:05 AM PDT by Colt .45
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To: Aric2000
I think you have just about summed it up.
32 posted on 09/17/2001 12:00:50 PM PDT by Post Toasties
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To: yoswif
I sure hope others are thinking like you.
33 posted on 09/17/2001 1:57:18 PM PDT by easy1
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To: gfactor
They're obviously going to be blown to bits, basically for suspected (as far as the public knows) involvement in the WTC attack. Whats cowardly about that?

Cowardice is sending the planes into the WTC and not into Norfolk Naval Shipyards. Cowardice is killing innocent civilians instead of picking a fight with our men in uniform. Cowardice is hiding in the mountains instead of sitting in a tank waiting for a "fair" fight.

35 posted on 09/17/2001 3:36:07 PM PDT by the herald
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To: the herald
Cowardice is hiding in the mountains instead of sitting in a tank waiting for a "fair" fight.

Is it then cowardice to fire ICBMS from North Dakota? is it then cowardice to fly bombers from Ohio to serbia? to fire tomahawk missles from the sea against a country with no navy? To target, again, from afar, a country's economic structure and thus its civilian population, such as electricity, water, media and factories. (many of these with HAZMAT and other dangerous chemicals)

to me, those all seem a smart way to carry out a war. However if one of them is cowardice, they all are.

As for the targetting of civilians, well, either civilians are collateral damage, or they aren't, no matter where they are, or what dictator they happen to live under.

36 posted on 09/17/2001 3:54:40 PM PDT by gfactor
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To: gfactor
ASHCANISTAN
37 posted on 09/17/2001 5:12:51 PM PDT by Charlie33
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To: gfactor
Patton said the point was not to die for your country, but to make that other dumb sob die for his country... or something like that.
38 posted on 09/17/2001 5:18:09 PM PDT by muffaletaman
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To: gfactor
Cowardice is attacking our country from the safety of your keyboard.
39 posted on 09/17/2001 10:34:13 PM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Don Joe
are counter attacks? puhleez. a society with dissent is a healthy society. like a free market, but for ideas.
40 posted on 09/17/2001 11:06:54 PM PDT by gfactor
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To: gfactor
Is it then cowardice to fire ICBMS from North Dakota? is it then cowardice to fly bombers from Ohio to serbia? to fire tomahawk missles from the sea against a country with no navy? To target, again, from afar, a country's economic structure and thus its civilian population, such as electricity, water, media and factories. (many of these with HAZMAT and other dangerous chemicals)

So by your definition, the only true courage is found where two men face each other in an arena with swords of equal sharpness and length. If they are to fire guns at one another, they are removing themselves from teh proximity of the battle, which obviates their courage. BS. You can play the devil's advocate game all you like; we both know in our hearts where the line is drawn between cowardice and courage. If you don't then you've been playing too many games of semantics to see the truth.

41 posted on 09/18/2001 12:19:33 AM PDT by the herald
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To: the herald
we both know in our hearts where the line is drawn between cowardice and courage

Yeah. with the other guy. its a common pattern in war.

42 posted on 09/18/2001 11:40:41 AM PDT by gfactor
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