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Tuscany's Excalibur Is The Real Thing, Say Scientists
The Observer ^ | 9-16-2001 | Rory Carroll

Posted on 09/24/2001 7:46:55 PM PDT by blam

Tuscany's Excalibur is the real thing, say scientists

Rory Carroll in Rome
Sunday September 16, 2001
The Observer

The sword of St Galgano, said to have been plunged into a rock by a medieval Tuscan knight, has been authenticated, bolstering Italy's version of the Excalibur legend. Galgano Guidotti, a noble from Chiusdano, near Siena, allegedly split the stone with his sword in 1180 after renouncing war to become a hermit. For centuries the sword was assumed to be a fake. but research revealed last week has dated its metal to the twelfth century.

Only the hilt, wooden grip and a few inches of the 3ft blade poke from the hill, which still draws pilgrims and tourists to the ruins of the chapel built around it.

'Dating metal is a very difficult task, but we can say that the composition of the metal and the style are compatible with the era of the legend,' said Luigi Garlaschelli, of the University of Pavia. 'We have succeeded in refuting those who maintain that it is a recent fake.'

Ground-penetrating radar analysis revealed that beneath the sword there is a cavity, 2m by 1m, which is thought to be a burial recess, possibly containing the knight's body. 'To know more we have to excavate,' said Garlaschelli, whose findings have been published in Focus magazine.

Carbon-dating confirmed that two mummified hands(DNA?) in the same chapel at Montesiepi were also from the twelfth century. Legend has it that anyone who tried to remove the sword had their arms ripped out.

In English legend the sword Excalibur is pulled from a stone by the future King Arthur, heralding his glory. In Galgano's case the miracle signified humility and holiness.

The son of an illiterate feudal lord, Galgano had a reputation for arrogance and selfishness. After a vision of the Archangel Michael, however, he retired to a cave to become a hermit. Lured out by his family he was thrown by his horse while passing Montesiepi, a hill near Chiusdano, where another vision told him to renounce material things.

Galgano objected that that would be as difficult as splitting a rock and to prove his point he struck one with his sword. The rock, it is said, yielded like butter.


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To: SurferDoc
Yes, try these:

Exodus to Arthur, Mike Baillie

Catastrophe, David Keyes

There's another by Clube & Napier but I can't remember the title. All were published within the last couple of years. All good reading.

21 posted on 09/24/2001 10:22:12 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Catastrophe, David Keyes ... As I recall, wasn't the event a meteor that hit around the Indonesian area? Or was that the one heard by the Chinese in 1000?
22 posted on 09/24/2001 10:31:52 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: blam
I know a little about the Arthurian legend. My wife knows a great deal about it. There are differing dates and differing interpretations of the legend. But, I have a twist...I've been told that there were many in Britain during the WWII that believed that Winston Churchill was King Arthur reincarnated. This is based on the part of the legend that said that in Britain's darkest hour, King Arthur would return to lead and defend her. This is a standing part of the legend. At Britain's darkest hour, King Arthus will return and defend her. Maybe the same could be said for George Washington, Maybe Dubya is George Washington reincarnated. LOL
23 posted on 09/24/2001 10:45:23 PM PDT by PrivacyChampion
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To: MHGinTN
"..wasn't the event a meteor that hit around the Indonesian area? Or was that the one heard by the Chinese in 1000?"

Sorry, I read so much that I can't keep them all straight.

24 posted on 09/24/2001 11:06:33 PM PDT by blam
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To: PrivacyChampion
Now you have me wondering what the legend will 'sound' like 2000 years from now. Hmmm
25 posted on 09/24/2001 11:12:48 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I have heard that between 900 AD and the 1700's-1800's Europe was in a mini ice age. It probably could have started as early as mid 500 AD. I didn't pay much attention to the exact starting date...I was more surprised by the ending date being so close to our times.

Krakatoa erupted some time in there too. The whole world supposedly had no sun for about 3 days and there was snow in the summers due to the particles blocking out the heat of the sun, making the average earth temperature much cooler for a while.

26 posted on 09/24/2001 11:14:48 PM PDT by chantal7
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To: chantal7
I think you have three different incidents/times involved. All those did happen though.
27 posted on 09/24/2001 11:27:18 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
shame on you, blam, posting this very interesting history among all this poppycock.
28 posted on 09/25/2001 1:17:57 AM PDT by XBob
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To: blam
yeah, Krakatoa happened in the 1700-1800's, I believe but that was also about the time that the mini ice age ended.
29 posted on 09/25/2001 11:21:31 AM PDT by chantal7
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To: chantal7
Krakatau

The renowned Krakatau volcano lies in the Sunda Strait between Java and Sumatra. Caldera collapse, perhaps in 416 AD, destroyed the ancestral Krakatau edifice, forming a 7-kilometer-wide caldera. Remnants of this volcano formed Verlaten and Lang Islands; subsequently Rakata, Danan and Perbuwatan volcanoes were formed, coalescing to create the pre-1883 Krakatau Island. Caldera collapse during the catastrophic 1883 eruption destroyed Danan and Perbuwatan volcanoes, and left only a remnant of Rakata volcano. The post-collapse cone of Anak Krakatau (Child of Krakatau), constructed within the 1883 caldera at a point between the former cones of Danan and Perbuwatan, has been the site of frequent eruptions since 1927.

The 1883 eruption caused what became to be known at the year without summer. It snowed in New England in July.

30 posted on 09/25/2001 1:14:36 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
. The tree rings, worldwide, indicate a serious temporary climate change at exactly that period. I think a comet or comet fragment plunged into the Celtic Sea in 540AD.

This could account for the "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" line that occurs in Celtic folk tales.

31 posted on 09/25/2001 1:15:10 PM PDT by rightofrush
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To: rightofrush
"This could account for the "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" line that occurs in Celtic folk tales"

Damn, I like that. I really, really like that. Most people are unaware of how many things in our language/culture have ancient origins. When in Rome, do as the Romans.

32 posted on 09/25/2001 1:33:44 PM PDT by blam
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To: SurferDoc
There are lots of books and lots of scholarly disagreememt, but the best I have seen is "The Holy Grail" by Malcom Godwin. It has excerpts fom all of the major grail writers.

Another is "The Holy Grail" by Norma Lorre Goodrich. It has lots of good stuff including a chapter on Don Quixote who had a grail encounter.

We need a grail discussion site.

33 posted on 09/25/2001 1:38:08 PM PDT by bert
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To: blam
Thank you for your kind #32.
One a similar vein, I've found the Picts enigmatic as well as facinating. I've read that the reason for the blue paint was that they considered themselves "sky people". I guess that they were a Celtic people, as they did not war with the Scots that came from Ireland and settled in Argyll.<p.Do you know of any references?
34 posted on 09/25/2001 3:55:06 PM PDT by rightofrush
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To: Constitution Day
the swallow may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our shores.....
35 posted on 09/25/2001 7:08:08 PM PDT by seams2me
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To: blam
yes, thanks :)) that's the one I remember reading about, the 1883 one.

I am bad about reading everything I can get my hands on..only remembering the concept or idea but not the details. I had a teacher once tell me that the ideas and concepts were what one should keep in their head, the details were in the book to look up. I haven't really felt very well so I didn't go to look up the exact date. :)) Thanks!! :))

37 posted on 10/01/2001 8:09:38 PM PDT by chantal7
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To: blam
What's the phrase I am looking for...?

Oh yeah...

"GET A LIFE!

Yeah, that's the one.
38 posted on 10/01/2001 8:19:03 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: VaBthang4
Screw you, dumb s#it!
39 posted on 10/01/2001 8:27:01 PM PDT by blam
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A Blast from the Past -- 2001.

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