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Catastrophic intelligence Failure - Clinton's Bin Laden GATE
Accuracy in Media ^ | September 24, 2001 | Cliff Kincaid - Reed Irvine

Posted on 09/29/2001 1:10:15 PM PDT by majordivit

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To: Black Jade
How do you feel today, in light of the revelation that project bojinka was known to the cia since 1995, when you hear official after official proclaim "nobody could have foreseen this type of a terrorist attack!"
101 posted on 10/04/2001 6:04:08 AM PDT by majordivit
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To: a history buff
With all due respect this isn't the case. All those involved in this savagery on 9-11 must be put to the sword. But to pretend that Islam is, in and of itself, a savage religion, and that the resentment f the west arises ex nihilo is not intellectually rigorous, and will only cause substantially more problems.

How many millions of Indians have been killed or maimed or injured by Pakistanis in all these wars? The Hindus are not violent people. They don't even kill animals. They don't even eat meat. They're not violent people. Those muslim maniacs have been creating problems and have been going to war and trying to exterminate the Indians for the longest of time...India and Pakistan..

just one example..should I go on ..?

102 posted on 10/04/2001 6:33:03 AM PDT by majordivit
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To: majordivit
When your people were living in oppressive political systems, such as Germany under that infamous corporal, they, too, used violent means to make their point known. The Nazis used the "terrorist" assassination of their ambassador to Paris to prove that "Jews were inherently dangerous," "unfit to live with "normal people,"" and thereby distracted the German people from a failing economy. The parallels, especially if you read the German press of the time, are chilling.

This is not to say that all those guilty of the barbarity of 9-11 shouldn't be put to the sword. They must. But it doesn't end there.

The fact of the matter is that all Arab gov'ts are repressive, and repression begets but more repression.

Have you ever considered why India, "the world's largest democracy etc..." will not let the people of Jammu and Kashmir vote on whether they would like to secede, despite the fact that both the British and Kashmiris think J&K would be better off in Pakistan?

103 posted on 10/04/2001 8:21:57 AM PDT by a history buff
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To: a history buff

Kashmiri Muslim Nazis burn the Indian flag after a disappointing election

On October 1, 2001, a savage Muslim terrorist attack in the Indian state of Kashmir killed 38 people and wounded 60.

The terrorists were dressed in police uniforms and drove a car armed with a powerful bomb. They waited patiently while police stopped traffic to let local lawmakers exit from a government compound. When they were allowed to proceed, the Muslim trio crashed through a flimsy barricade and detonated their explosives at the compound gate.

Most of the fatalities were motorists in other cars and pedestrians in the street. The surviving terrorists raced into the compound firing guns and throwing grenades. Indian police and paramilitary responded with artillery, igniting a fire

Hindus are also targets of Islam

A Muslim terrorist attack in Kashmir on October 1, 2001 slaughtered dozens)

The death toll was the highest in Kashmir since 1999, when 35 Hindus on pilgrimage to a Hindu shrine and their Kashmiri guides were murdered in a gun battle between Muslim terrorists and security forces. Tens of thousands have been killed during the 13 years of the Kashmiri terror campaign, perpetrated in the only part of India with a Muslim majority. Islamic terrorism throughout the subcontinent has continued with Pakistan's blessing despite the repeated and strenuous denials of that country's mendacious Islamic military rulers.

India's beautiful but dangerous Kashmir
(Unfortunately polluted by Muslim Nazis)

In the aftermath of the massacre, India's prime minister, Atal Bihari Vajpayee, wrote a letter to President Bush blaming Pakistanis for the latest attack and suggesting that Pakistan is lying when it says that there are no terrorist groups operating from its territory:

"There is a limit to the patience of the people of India," Vajpayee wrote. "Ironically, [the terrorist attack] comes only a day after the Pakistan president announced on television that his country has no terrorist groups operating from its territory."

The United States has praised Pakistan for its help in the "anti-terror coalition" against Osama Bin Laden, whose stronghold is in neighboring Afghanistan.

Pakistan's military dictator Pervez Musharraf
(America's "ally" is an exporter of Muslim terrorism to Hindu India)

General Pervez Musharraf, the military dictator of Pakistan, has continued to call the Muslim terrorists in Kashmir "freedom fighters" and ludicrously but typically implied that the latest bloodbath was the work of the Indian secret service: "It appears to be aimed at maligning the legitimate struggle of the Kashmiri people for their right to self-determination."

Resembling similar libels against the Mossad, the Israeli secret service -- which has been blamed in many Muslim circles for the World Trade Center attack -- Musharraf's statements have failed to acknowledge the claim of responsibility by Jaish-e-Mohammed, a Pakistan-based terror gang led by Masood Azhar, a former member of Bin Laden's Harkat ul-Mujahideen network. Azhar, who launched the Jaish-e-Mohammed gang, was one of three men freed from Indian jails in 1999 in exchange for a hijacked Indian airliner flown to Afghanistan. After his release, he resurfaced in Pakistan, openly giving speeches calling for attacks on India and the United States.

104 posted on 10/04/2001 8:41:26 AM PDT by majordivit
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To: a history buff
Brainwashed terrorists don't belong here. Disaffected citizens of our satrapies definitely do. Otherwise we risk having our political system totally gum up.

If we are talking about "extremists," such as those who I referred to in post #91, those trained for the Afghan "jihad," then we ARE talking about "brainwashed terrorists," not "disaffected citizens" of anywhere.

105 posted on 10/04/2001 12:16:47 PM PDT by Black Jade
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To: Black Jade
We agree.
106 posted on 10/04/2001 12:20:39 PM PDT by a history buff
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To: a history buff;majordivit
With all due respect this isn't the case. All those involved in this savagery on 9-11 must be put to the sword. But to pretend that Islam is, in and of itself, a savage religion, and that the resentment f the west arises ex nihilo is not intellectually rigorous, and will only cause substantially more problems.

I agree. It is just as inaccurate to say that all Muslims are "terrorists," as it would be to say that all Christians are "terrorists" because of what the IRA or the Phalange of Lebanon have done.

How many millions of Indians have been killed or maimed or injured by Pakistanis in all these wars? The Hindus are not violent people. They don't even kill animals. They don't even eat meat. They're not violent people. Those muslim maniacs have been creating problems and have been going to war and trying to exterminate the Indians for the longest of time...India and Pakistan..

This is not historically accurate. The Kashmir conflict is not one sided, good vs. evil, by any means. It may be true that the upper caste Brahmin Hindus are ideally required to not eat meat, but that does not mean that India has not committed its own share of atrocities in wars with Pakistan and in Kashmir. Remember that Mahatma Ghandi was assassinated by a Hindu extremist.

How do you feel today, in light of the revelation that project bojinka was known to the cia since 1995, when you hear official after official proclaim "nobody could have foreseen this type of a terrorist attack!"

I think that this is outrageous. Obviously the FBI & CIA were NOT really totally surprised by 9-11. They were also warned by the Mossad and other sources, as has been mentioned on other threads. After examining the logistics involved, I have to conclude that this assessment is correct: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20010913.shtml: "Security experts and airline officials agree privately that the simultaneous hijacking of four jetliners was an 'inside job,' probably indicating complicity beyond malfeasance. This makes all the more ominous Tuesday's national catastrophe and its dismal consequences."

107 posted on 10/04/2001 12:40:26 PM PDT by Black Jade
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To: PatiPie; *clintonscandals
Indexing...
108 posted on 11/04/2001 4:34:15 AM PST by backhoe
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To: majordivit
Clinton's Bin Laden GATE - Mother of all Scandals
109 posted on 11/05/2001 9:47:32 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: backhoe
Thanks for the flag!
110 posted on 11/05/2001 9:37:37 PM PST by PatiPie
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To: PatiPie
Thanks for looking- AIM has been trying to wake up America for years!
111 posted on 11/06/2001 12:59:06 AM PST by backhoe
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To: majordivit
bump
112 posted on 11/25/2001 9:14:08 AM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: backhoe
Bump- for never forgiving---
113 posted on 12/16/2001 4:47:55 AM PST by backhoe
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To: majordivit
Bump for the newbies & lurkers....
114 posted on 12/21/2001 4:23:43 PM PST by backhoe
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To: OKCSubmariner
BTTT
115 posted on 12/23/2001 9:55:04 PM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Amelia
Bookmarked and no reply from you that I see. Why didn't you make your comments then?
116 posted on 06/04/2002 7:19:03 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36
Would you like to give your suggestions for how they'd have stopped it?
117 posted on 06/04/2002 7:35:12 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: majordivit
When we repeatedly said that Klintoon was a danger to America nobody listened.

And now? Don't expect the media to investigate Klintoon's culpability, they're too busy "investigationg" important things like Laura Bush drinking and other stories to muddy Bush.

118 posted on 06/04/2002 7:42:30 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: 1Old Pro
That's right. 8 Years the traitor Clinton had a policy of using Bin Laden as a bulwork against China, Russia and Iran. Even when the proof was clear to anyqone with eyes and ears that Bin laden had turned his attention to destroying the USA, Clinton still refused to believe it....
119 posted on 06/04/2002 10:19:03 AM PDT by majordivit
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To: Amelia
Would you like to give your suggestions for how they'd have stopped it?
Not being privvy to the vast amount of information available to the agencies I would be making suggestions in a vacuum. I'd have to know what was or wasn't done to make suggestions on what to do.
Being the peon Citizen that I am I'll never know so I can't make any suggestions.
Besides, I'm not getting paid diddly like the other 16 agencies that do analysis.

I can be just as petty and closed as they can.
TANSTAAFL
Isn't it all about money?

120 posted on 06/04/2002 6:22:06 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: Amelia
I've tried the "give freely" thing and got called a fool for doing so.
Time to "get paid", just like all the other pettiness folks out there.

I want the ones in charge out there to "earn their money the old fashioned way".
Show me! And call me cynical.

121 posted on 06/04/2002 6:27:49 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: majordivit
bump
122 posted on 06/16/2002 4:53:55 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: TigersEye
He should be tried for treason, convicted, given the appropriate sentence and the sentence carried out. Same for his co-conspirators. His sympathizers should be ostracized and scorned for eternity and any trace of his existence wiped out.
36 posted on 09/29/2001 6:53 PM EDT by TigersEye
CATASTROPHIC INTELLIGENCE FAILURE


Clinton in treason's shadow ANNOTATED
10-Yr Anniversary of WTC Bombing Marks clintons' Utter Failure
THE CLINTONS--AMERICA'S BIGGEST BLUNDER
Hear Bush 41 Warn Us--October 19, 1992*

BUSH: "I will not wait on events, while dangers gather."

Q ERTY6ENTROPY
Q ERTY8missus clinton's REAL virtual office update BUMP!

hear

*Thanx to Cloud William for text and audio

 

LEHRER: President Bush, your closing statement, sir.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Three weeks from now--two weeks from tomorrow, America goes to the polls and you're going to have to decide who you want to lead this country ...

On foreign affairs, some think it's irrelevant. I believe it's not. We're living in an interconnected world...And if a crisis comes up, ask who has the judgment and the experience and, yes, the character to make the right decision?

And, lastly, the other night on character Governor Clinton said it's not the character of the president but the character of the presidency. I couldn't disagree more. Horace Greeley said the only thing that endures is character. And I think it was Justice Black who talked about great nations, like great men, must keep their word.

And so the question is, who will safeguard this nation, who will safeguard our people and our children? I need your support, I ask for your support. And may God bless the United States of America.

(Applause)

 
play tape
 

 

 

123 posted on 07/19/2003 3:40:45 AM PDT by Mia T (SCUM (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations))
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To: gombeen
 

Free Republic is one of those groups obsessed with the Clinton era.

Word's out: Protest at Hillary's tonight
U.S. News & World Report (Washington Whispers) |
March 11, 2003 | Paul Bedard

 

 

I'll bet that Mr. Bedard is a member of "one of those groups" so "obsessed" with voting in… and having access to… the clintons that they--ooops-- failed to notice the obvious danger of the lovely couple.

Thanx for 9/11, Paul...

"ONE OF THOSE GROUPS OBSESSED WITH THE CLINTONS"

 
 
PART 1
PART 2
by Mia T, 1-21-03
 

Hear clinton stupidity, smallness, banality, fecklessness, ineptitude, prevarication, corruption, perfidy and utter failure directly from the rapist, himself. clinton provides the perfect foil for Bush, who makes a cameo appearance or two.

Pay special attention to Dan Rather's little story about terrorism hitting the U.S. "bigtime" during the clintons' tenure.

In particular, connect the following dots: the '93 WTC bombing. a certain bin Laden protégé and clinton's admission that he passed up bin Laden. Note clinton's spurious argument for this monumental failure.

To this day, clinton seems not to understand that bin Laden is -- and was in 1996 -- an enemy of the state, not a simple criminal.

clinton still seems not to get it -- the same terrorist --the terrorist he refused to take--hit the same building in '93.

Notwithstanding this, to hear clinton tell it, his disastrous decision not to take bin Laden when offered on a silver platter by Sudan, (arguably the worst decision ever made by a president), derived from his scrupulous avoidance of abusing power and trashing laws...

Yeah, right.

 

HEAR:

 

  • the attacks on America

     

  • Dan Rather ruminating on the terrorism that came to America "bigtime" during clinton years

     

  • Dan Rather relating OBL protégé, Ramzi Yousef threat to clinton FBI that the terrorists WILL complete the job

     

  • the clinton non-response to terror

     

  • FDR response (says national security a president's raison d'être)

     

  • Bush response:
    "I can hear YOU...,"

    "I [as opposed to clinton] will not wait on events, while dangers gather," etc.

     

  • Mike Moran "Osama bin Laden, you can kiss my royal Irish ass" battle cry

     

  • "go home hillary!" chant, etc.

 
hear
Thou art arm'd that hath thy crook'd schemers straight.
Cudgel thy brains no more, the clinton plots are great.

Mia T, On Neutered and Neutering
by Mia T and Edward Zehr (EZ)

A Fish Rots from the Head

Investor's Business Daily

 

Ijaz, an admitted Clinton supporter who helped negotiate these opportunities to nab bin Laden, said, "The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening."

Ijaz says that three months before bin Laden's men blew up the USS Cole in Yemen, he "brought the White House another plausible offer to deal with bin Laden, by then known to be involved in the embassy bombings (in Tanzania and Kenya)... But senior Clinton officials sabotaged the offer."

Clinton's apparent boredom with vital information extended beyond Sudanese intelligence officers to his own intelligence officers. His first CIA director, James Woolsey, couldn't get a meeting with Clinton in the two years he served. Woolsey left the Clinton administration disgusted with its slovenly approach to national security. ...

To hear Clinton now say "We must do more to reduce the pool of potential terrorists" is thus beyond farce. He had numerous opportunities to reduce that pool, and he blew it.

The pool, in fact, grew larger on Clinton's watch, as he spent his final days giving pardons to drug dealers, Puerto Rican terrorists and Marc Rich, a fugitive who topped America's most-wanted list.

 
NEW AUDIO!
Hear the Bill Bennett epilogue

 In this light, Clinton's order to the CIA that it not use "unsavory characters" to collect information pushes irony to its outer limits.

 
hillary clinton blames better half for terrorism
(SHE knew, "you know," nuttin')
Meet the Press, 12-09-01
 

Mia T, 12-09-01

 

 

Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most serious foreign policy failures in American history

Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize

 

Bill Clinton may not be the worst president America has had, but surely he is the worst person to be president.*

-GEORGE WILL, Sleaze, the sequel

 

 

Had George Will written Sleaze, the sequel (the "sequel" is, of course, hillary) after 9-11-01, I suspect that he would have had to forgo the above conceit, as the doubt expressed in the setup phrase was, from that day forward, no longer operational.

Indeed, assessing the clinton presidency an abject failure is not inconsistent with commentary coming from the left, most recently the LA Times: "Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize."

When the clintons left office, I predicted that the country would eventually learn--sadly, the hard way--that this depraved, self-absorbed and inept pair had placed America (and the world) in mortal danger. But I was thinking years, not months.

It is very significant that hillary clinton didn't deny clinton culpability for the terrorism. (Meet the Press, 12-09-01), notwithstanding tired tactics (if you can't pass the buck, spread the blame) and chronic "KnowNothing Victim Clinton" self-exclusion.

If leftist pandering keeps the disenfranchized down in perpetuity, clinton pandering,("it's the economy, stupid"), kept the middle and upper classes wilfully ignorant for eight years.

And ironically, both results (leftist social policy and the clinton economy) are equally illusory, fraudulent. It is becoming increasingly clear that clinton covertly cooked the books even as he assiduously avoided essential actions that would have negatively impacted the economy--the ultimate source of his continued power--actions like, say, going after the terrorists.

It is critically important that hillary clinton fail in her grasp for power; read Peggy Noonan's little book, 'The Case Against Hillary Clinton' and Barbara Olson's two books; it is critical that the West de-clintonize, but that will be automatic once it is understood that the clintons risked civilization itself in order to gain and retain power.

It shouldn't take books, however, to see that a leader is a dangerous, self-absorbed sicko. People should be able to figure that out for themselves. The electorate must be taught to think, to reason. It must be able to spot spin, especially in this age of the electronic demagogue.

I am not hopeful. As Bertrand Russell noted, "Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so. "

 

 

 

*George Will continues: There is reason to believe that he is a rapist ("You better get some ice on that," Juanita Broaddrick says he told her concerning her bit lip), and that he bombed a country to distract attention from legal difficulties arising from his glandular life, and that. ... Furthermore, the bargain that he and his wife call a marriage refutes the axiom that opposites attract. Rather, she, as much as he, perhaps even more so, incarnates Clintonism

 

THE INTERMINABLE clintons
It's time to take out the trash...
A Senate en passant capture is THE MOVE...
NEW AUDIO! Hear the Bill Bennett (PARDONGATE) epilogue .
 
 
hillary clinton A SECURITY RISK: Removal Calls Begin
 
THE UNSTATED MESSAGE OF THE POWELL EVIDENCE
 
Another mistaken 'conceptzia'
WHY AMERICA (& THE WORLD) CANNOT SURVIVE ANOTHER CLINTON
(INDEED, IT IS NOT CLEAR THAT WE ARE GOING TO SURVIVE THE FIRST ONE,)
 
WAS AL QAEDA THE TARGET OF A TAKEOVER BY IRAQ?
 
Utter-Failure clintons Concoct Left-Wing-Radio Scheme FIG LEAF
Flower Children Fall for the 2 Self-Evident Thugs & Opportunists Yet Again
(Liberals have always had problems figuring out causation)
 
 
THE CLINTONS--AMERICA'S BIGGEST BLUNDER: Hear Bush 41 Warn Us--October 19, 1992
 
How to get rid of the clintons in 3 easy steps
 
the logic of pathologic self-interest
 
Mrs. clinton's REAL virtual office update
 

the movie

CNNs of Omission, CNNs of Commission Q ERTY8 BUMP!

124 posted on 07/19/2003 3:57:59 AM PDT by Mia T (SCUM (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations))
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George Will continues: There is reason to believe that he is a rapist ("You better get some ice on that," Juanita Broaddrick says he told her concerning her bit lip), and that he bombed a country to distract attention from legal difficulties arising from his glandular life, and that. ... Furthermore, the bargain that he and his wife call a marriage refutes the axiom that opposites attract. Rather, she, as much as he, perhaps even more so, incarnates Clintonism

GEORGE WILL, SLEAZE, THE SEQUEL

 


eyes wide shut

EPILOGUE: (ADDITIONAL AUDIO)
Hear Christopher Shays: "The bottom line: HE DID RAPE BROADDRICK."

When Alex kills a woman during a rape, Alex is sent to prison.
When clinton rapes women, girls, his country and God knows what else. . .
and kills? --- check out those fourscore-plus deaths, please!
And don't forget the wag-the-dog, desperately-seeking-a-legacy bombings,
or the cold-blooded Ricky Ray Rector execution---
not clinton but society is imprisoned,
imprisoned in clinton's
besmirched, semen-stained, feckless presidency.
 

A risible and repulsive result;
yet not even the punch line.

While Alex is conditioned in prison with aversion therapy,
transmuted into a moral robot who becomes nauseated
by the mere thought of sex and violence,
bill clinton and his Thought Police,
in a perverse reverse aversion,
have conditioned society's collective brain
into not mere acquiescence but twisted admiration.
 

In the end,
if clinton's arrogant, ruthless, reckless nature is restored to him,
it seems the joke will be on all of us,
for it will be a victory for infinite victimhood and irresponsibility,
for seduction, for violence, for nihilism, for anarchy.
 

We will have set apart clinton as the hero
by making his victims less human than he;
we will have allowed clinton to carefully estrange us from his victims
so that we can enjoy the rapes and the beatings
as much as clinton himself does.

Mia T, A CLOCKWORK ORANGE

The REAL "Living History" -- clintoplasmodial slime

 
Q ERTY8missus clinton's REAL virtual office update bump

125 posted on 07/19/2003 4:09:22 AM PDT by Mia T (SCUM (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations))
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