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Andrew Sullivan: The damage Clinton did
The Sunday Times (U.K.) ^ | 09/30/2001 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 09/29/2001 4:58:52 PM PDT by Pokey78

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To: Pokey78
Great article, thanks for posting it. It really frosts some people that Andrew Sullivan is one of the best conservative writers today.
21 posted on 09/29/2001 5:52:32 PM PDT by SurferDoc
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To: Pokey78
While the terrorists and their sponsors were plotting to hijack airliners and crash them into Manhattan skyscrapers and the Pentagon, senior CIA officials were compelling analysts and operations officers to attend sensitivity-training classes and sew diversity quilts. That is a fact.

A current CIA manager, who requested anonymity, tells Insight that intelligence professionals are forced to attend sensitivity-training classes and do role-playing skits to conform to politically correct social themes. Another CIA official adds, “The management wasted countless thousands of hours by making all of us sit through workshops to make politically correct diversity quilts.” Pieces of fabric were distributed to CIA employees on which they were instructed to sew, draw or glue art, photographs and slogans reflecting “diversity” themes dictated during mandatory sensitivity seminars. “Can you imagine being a manager and having your staff say, ‘Sorry, I need to take off an hour to work on my diversity quilt?’ It just scalds me.” He estimates that the quilting workshops and seminars cost the CIA more than 20,000 hours of employee time. The diversity quilts are on display inside CIA headquarters.

22 posted on 09/29/2001 5:54:46 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Torie
Your guy rang the bell with this one.
23 posted on 09/29/2001 5:56:58 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Pokey78
I see nothing in hear about Ronald Reagan. As much as I liked him as a president, he did nothing to retaliate against the terrorists in San Salvador who killed 4 Marines in May of 1985. In 1993 (as per "60 Minutes" broadcast 5/21/95) the man responsible for planning these attacks was living in San Francisco. I wonder what he did for Clinton to get a visa? Is this terrorist still living here?

Semper Fi Marines!
24 posted on 09/29/2001 5:57:37 PM PDT by Robert Lomax
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To: Robert Lomax
hear=here
25 posted on 09/29/2001 5:58:16 PM PDT by Robert Lomax
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To: Robert Lomax
Now even senators who shrank from the thought before Sept. 11 are reconsidering. Five days after the blasts, Sens. John Kerry (D-Mass.) and Carl Levin (D-Mich.) appeared on CNN, alluding to the need to repeal the executive order banning assassinations.

Meanwhile diversity quilts made by intelligence agents continue to decorate the halls at the CIA.

26 posted on 09/29/2001 5:58:57 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: jtill illstillbe Molly Pitcher Bitwhacker MozartLover kd5cts b4its2late
But the further we get away from the Clinton years, the more damning they seem. The narcissistic, feckless, escapist culture of an America absent without leave in the world was fomented from the top. The boom at the end of the decade turned out to include a dangerous bubble that the administration did little to prevent.

The "peace-making" in the Middle East and Ireland merely intensified the conflicts. The sex and money scandals were not just debilitating in themselves - they meant that even the minimal attention that the Clinton presidency paid to strategic military and intelligence work was skimped on.

We were warned. But we were coasting. And the main person primarily entrusted with correcting that delusion, with ensuring America's national security - the president - was part of the problem.

Through the dust clouds of September 11, and during the difficult task ahead, one person hovers over the wreckage - and that is Bill Clinton. His legacy gets darker with each passing day.

Couldn't have said it better myself..I've been saying it for HOW LONG NOW????

27 posted on 09/29/2001 6:00:27 PM PDT by Neets
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To: Kevin Curry
I can't stand to read him either. Andy is even worse than Jonah Goldberg or the freaks from antiwar. All have their fans plaster their stuff all over FR in the hope anyone might care.I don't.

Oh...about the article...I don't read any of this crap so I have don't comment.

28 posted on 09/29/2001 6:03:09 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Pokey78
The Blood On Bill Clintons Hands
29 posted on 09/29/2001 6:07:06 PM PDT by jmp702
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To: Pokey78
But the further we get away from the Clinton years, the more damning they seem.

This is what separates history from journalism. Clinton attempted to build a legacy via journalism - i.e. have the right photo ops and have Maureen Dowd write glowing columns about you. History however is concerned with the broad sweep of events and history is set by character.

Why should anyone be surprised that Clinton was unprincipled and undisciplined? We all said it in 1992 and again in 1996 - but we were shouted down by the journalists who proclaimed a new era where the character of public officials didn't matter. We declared a New Economy. We declared History to be over.

I can't take any joy in seeing Clinton's true legacy unfold. I can only hope we all learn something from it - if we survive it.

30 posted on 09/29/2001 6:11:03 PM PDT by garbanzo
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Clinton's Presidency can be summed up in the following five words, "What's in it for me?"

He ignored repeated warnings from credible and trusted sources regarding the likely potential of terrorist attacks upon American interests.

But none of his, of course.

31 posted on 09/29/2001 6:11:06 PM PDT by Orbiter
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To: GoldnGate
The same notion has occurred to me. During the Clinton years, the political appointees in charge of the FBI and other agencies did not want to hear about security threats from Islamic radicals (or from Cuba, North Korea, et cetera). What they rewarded the underlings for was exposes of white supremacists, militias, and other "right-wing extremists". Those agents who wished to advance their careers would work on the latter and not the former. As virtually everyone now understands, the security threat from American right-wing extremists is basically nonexistent, while the threat from Middle Eastern Islamic terrorists is quite real.

One can only hope that Bill Clinton and his gaggle of stuck-in-the-sixties leftists will get the full credit they deserve, but don't hold your breath. Notice that this story appears in the British press, not the American. The American media are still upholding their tradition of Clinton worship. For example, the New Yorker piece by Joe Klein that Sullivan cites here completely whitewashes the Clinton Administration's responsibility for the deaths of the 18 U.S. Army Rangers in Somalia in 1993. Klein allows anonymous Clinton operatives to blame Colin Powell, while never mentioning how the Clintonoids ignored Army requests for sufficient weaponry to carry out their mission.

32 posted on 09/29/2001 6:12:34 PM PDT by TheMole
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To: Kevin Curry
This is an astonishing level of pettiness, even for you.
33 posted on 09/29/2001 6:14:47 PM PDT by garbanzo
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To: Howlin
His legacy gets darker with each passing day.

Should be etched in stone, in the lobby, at the new liebrary...

34 posted on 09/29/2001 6:24:43 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: ALL
I'm waiting for the day all the liberals realize that terrorists don't use 'smart' bombs.

The are acting like the only ones that will be maimed or killed are conservatives!!

Maybe the terrorists need one big bomb with LIBERAL painted on it!!!!!!!!

35 posted on 09/29/2001 6:27:19 PM PDT by LADY J
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To: LarryLied, Kevin Curry, CWO Jackson, Fred25
LarryLied, Kevin Curry -

What's with you guys? Shouldn't we all be rallying around the flag? We are at war. If Americans want to stick together, we should stop worrying about some of these petty domestic disputes. I personally have dropped for the time being fighting for an end to the drug war. And have posted so.

It appears more and more that I'm the only one calling for a truce on social issues for the duration of the war.

I would think for your country's sake you two would drop the anti-homosexual screed for the sake of unity. We should welcome support for America from whereever it comes. Please. Welcome support even if it comes from even "Americans for Total Socialism Now," to make up an organization.

36 posted on 09/29/2001 6:27:31 PM PDT by TKEman
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To: Pokey78
Sullivan misidentifies Deutch--he was Director of the CIA for part of the Clinton years, but never Secretary of Defense.

I read somewhere that in the late 1970s, at the time of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the US embassy in Kabul had no one on its staff who was fluent in Russian. That would be another example of the cluelessness with which our government has treated that part of the world.

37 posted on 09/29/2001 6:31:46 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: TKEman
we should stop worrying about some of these petty domestic disputes.

They are not petty. If we are not going to go after those who undermine our security at home, the game is over.

I'll sit back and enjoy the show. Been here before. Bush doesn't have the guts to go after those who marched today. That is clear. The 5,000 today will grow to 100,000 by the next protest they have planned.

38 posted on 09/29/2001 6:32:49 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Pokey78
..... President George H W Bush, who balked at removing Saddam Hussein from power at the end of the Gulf war .....

In fairness to then President Bush, it should be remembered that there was no mandate granted him other than to expel the Iraqis from Kuwait which, in only 100 hrs -- and while Powell, the little-corporal in the general costume, watched -- United States Army General Swartzkopf ably did.

And the US never had to figure what to do with Soddom -- and with Iraq -- and, around the Gulf, ever since, both have been not much more than [Albiet muttering, mumbling, posturing and palace-building] laughing stock.

39 posted on 09/29/2001 6:34:24 PM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: jwalsh07
"Hindsight is easy, of course. In the halcyon and feckless climate of the 1990s, it would have required real political leadership to dragoon various stubborn government agencies into a difficult reorganisation to counter terrorism. It would have been extremely hard to persuade a sceptical public and a prickly civil liberties lobby that vast new powers were necessary to prevent catastrophe. This much is true. ...

"It is clear that there are many in the American government who, while not being "guilty men" in sympathising with, and appeasing, the enemy were, at the very least, "negligent men". They deserve some sympathy. They were imperfect human beings in a world where September 11 was still an abstract. But we pay our politicians to assess the possibility of an actual threat. That's what they are there for. And, on that critical task, they failed."

One reason Sullivan is so effective as a writer, and as an advocate, is that he writes paragraphs such as the above. He restrains himself. He does not overstate. He gains credibility as a composed and intelligent man. He slowly makes his case adverting to the record from the public square, of which he seemingly has an encylopedic knowledge. And then seamlessly he goes for the malefactors' balls as it were. The effect is devastating.

When it comes to influence, Sullivan is worth a battalion of the usual Clinton haters. That is because his talents and discipline exceeds the sum of that of the battalion. And it is because he has a track record of calling them as he sees them, as honestly as he can, no matter whose neck is gored, or goose cooked. That give the man credibility when the rubber meets the road, and when it really counts.

40 posted on 09/29/2001 6:35:19 PM PDT by Torie
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