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Sharon to US: Don't turn Israel into Czechoslovakia
JPOST ^ | OCT 4

Posted on 10/04/2001 12:16:59 PM PDT by ipaq2000

20:40) Sharon to US: Don't turn Israel into Czechoslovakia

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has instructed the IDF to use whatever means necessary to defend the country, he told reporters tonight.

He made his comments after three Israelis were killed this afternoon in Afula, and a terror attack overnight in Jerusalem in which two people were injured.

He also urged the United States not to turn its back on Israel in favor of the Arab states in the way Europe ignored Czechoslovakia in 1938. The results of that move were calamitous, he said.

There is considerable concern in Jerusalem that the Bush administration is allowing terrorist states to join the war on terrorism.


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KEYWORDS: czechoslovakia; sudetenland
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1 posted on 10/04/2001 12:16:59 PM PDT by ipaq2000
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To: ipaq2000
So the West Bank is the Sudetenland?
2 posted on 10/04/2001 12:20:32 PM PDT by untenured
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To: ipaq2000
Bush walks the fine line betwen Israel and the Arabs. In the end, he will do what's best for the U.S.
3 posted on 10/04/2001 12:21:48 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: ipaq2000
"There is considerable concern in Jerusalem that the Bush administration is allowing terrorist states to join the war on terrorism."

Jerusalem? There's also concern right here in the USA!

4 posted on 10/04/2001 12:22:44 PM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: untenured , ipaq2000
It's actualy even more crucial than the Suedetenland. Sharon always goes half handed over it.
5 posted on 10/04/2001 12:23:22 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: 1Old Pro
Can someone plase tell me what is Best For America?

It seems that it is a lose - lose deal no matter what Bush does?

6 posted on 10/04/2001 12:23:27 PM PDT by america-rules
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To: america-rules
How about killing our enemies instead of kissing up to them?
7 posted on 10/04/2001 12:25:26 PM PDT by LarryM
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To: ipaq2000
There is considerable concern in Jerusalem that the Bush administration is allowing terrorist states to join the war on terrorism.

Just like the Gulf War Israel is being told to hold off on its national interests for the sake of this unholy alliance. Israel may have to finally define herself outside of the context of American interests in this respect and consider Arafat, the Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Fatah, Force 17, etc. the object of its own war on terrorism once and for all regardless of U.S. interests. If this jeopardizes the relationship and the few billion in economic aid and short term whining and pain, then that will have to be the case. It's that or Israel will be defined solely by the whim of U.S. foreign policy and the further destruction of innocent Jews by the terrorist pigs which largely makeup the "Palestinians".

Maybe Israel should consider a realignment with Russia.

8 posted on 10/04/2001 12:27:37 PM PDT by Lent
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To: america-rules
"Can someone plase tell me what is Best For America?"

To drive our enemies before us, slaughter their warriors and hear the lamentations of their women.

9 posted on 10/04/2001 12:27:49 PM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: ipaq2000
Sharon might expand his comments. Tell us who freely elected a communist dictatorship in Czechoslovakia after the war. Who lead the charge to tyranny. And what happened to them. It wasn't pretty.
10 posted on 10/04/2001 12:28:25 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: america-rules
Can someone plase tell me what is Best For America?

Waging a long, sustained war on terrorists while keeping the Middle East together enough to actually be of some use to us. A war in the Middle East won't help our cause.

11 posted on 10/04/2001 12:29:09 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: LarryM
How about killing our enemies instead of kissing up to them?

nukem, Just nukem George! Quit acting like a .......

Nukem

12 posted on 10/04/2001 12:30:19 PM PDT by Alas
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To: america-rules
Can someone plase tell me what is Best For America?

IMHO, It would be best for America to be assertive in its foreign policy. We should give the Arab countries two reasons to oppose terrorism:

1. It is morally right.
2. We intend to make life worse for our enemies than for our friends.

If they come back to us and say that we have to promise to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict first, we should reject that demand. The two reasons are good enough.

Yasser Arafat is a master at talking out of both sides of his mouth--announcing cease-fires in English while encouraging the terrorists in Arabic. The "moderate" Arab states will play the same game with us if we let them.

At the height of British appeasement in the 1930's, Churchill remarked that England had to choose between war and dishonor. "We chose dishonor. We shall have war."

To sacrifice Israel to the Palestinian terrorists would be to go down the same path.

14 posted on 10/04/2001 12:35:45 PM PDT by CompassionateLibertarian
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To: america-rules
Can someone plase tell me what is Best For America?

We don't know all there is to know, but we should just keep having faith in Bush. He WILL do what's best for America. I have total confidence in him. Of course, I'm a shameless Bushie, but time will prove us Bushies right.
GO GWB, GO!

GandtheD

15 posted on 10/04/2001 12:35:59 PM PDT by Elenya
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To: america-rules
What is best for America is to take no unilateral initiatives and declarations over Israel and let Israel deal with it on its own brave ways. Israel belongs to G_d, not to America, not to Arabs, not to Jews (especialy the bad ones), not to Christians, not to muslims, not to Jiang, not to Putin, Israel belongs to G_d. When will the world figure how important is the historical background of Israel and how Judaism is the last vestige of the memory of G_d, before Christ at the very least?

America should stay away from any obsessive collectivist tendency. That means staying away from collectively getting Israel shared by all religions, just as socialists want pain and wealth to be shared by all. Some people are decent and can be in Israel, others not, period. And as far as Islam, a moment of truth is coming, Islam is evil. The Islamic world will never rest until all churches and Synagogues in the world are laid to waste as they are being laid to waste in the Islamic world today through terror, especialy in those so called moderate states such as Saudi Arabia.

What is best for the US at this point in time, while attacked, is to go on a burned Earth policy. Contract, let the barbarians attack burned dirt, fake them into thinking Israel is worthless, in the meantime build up weapons and a strategy of counter attack and WWIII scenario (global war is more PC lately).

What is best for America is to have a Lincoln who will take freedoms of citizens and the world away, fight the war against the evil doers with the citizens forcibly enlisted, and then give back the usage of peace time constitution and civil rights to the people, JUST AS LINCOLN DID.

16 posted on 10/04/2001 12:37:29 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: ipaq2000
(15:35 EST) Comradew CommiesOut to Sharon: Don't turn the whole world into pre-war Poland.
17 posted on 10/04/2001 12:38:22 PM PDT by CommiesOut
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To: ipaq2000
The Israeli gov't is freaking out because the USA is finally establishing some form of diplomatic contacts with countries it doesnn't approve of.

The Israeli lobby has been quite sucessful, heretofore, in preventing these relations. In my view, has been detrimental to our intelligence gathering on the ground in those countries by not have a official 'presence' within these countries.

The screaming from the Israeli lobby will reach "shrill status" very shortly...just watch and listen.

18 posted on 10/04/2001 12:41:41 PM PDT by Brian S
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To: 1Old Pro
Bush walks the fine line betwen Israel and the Arabs. In the end, he will do what's best for the U.S.

Bush has a problem because of US dependence on the Arab oil. Seems like he has to tread lightly.

Also there was some talk that Bush and Cheney wanted to begin strikes on Afghanistan some time ago and they were in disagreement with Powell.

19 posted on 10/04/2001 12:43:20 PM PDT by Lady GOP
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To: Brian S
Uh oh...

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Thursday, October 4 11:15 PM SGT

Bush cites chance to 'reexamine' US culture

WASHINGTON, Oct 4 (AFP) -

President George W. Bush on Thursday declared that September 11 terror strikes on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon have given the heartbroken United States a chance to "re-examine" its culture.

"I see, out of this sadness and grief, an opportunity for America to re-examine our culture, to re-examine how we view the need to help people in need, whether it be in our own neighborhood and around the world," he said.

Bush's comments came as he made a morale-boosting trip to the US State Department and announced 320 million dollars in US humanitarian aid to the people of Afghanistan while affirming his determination to punish its Taliban rulers if they fail to turn over Osama bin Laden, the US government's prime suspect in the attacks.

20 posted on 10/04/2001 12:50:55 PM PDT by CommiesOut
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To: Lent
Ping
21 posted on 10/04/2001 12:55:48 PM PDT by KLT
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To: Dog and Cat
Why don't you go to Russia and take all of NY with you.......TRAITOR !!!!

Settle down. I'm a gentile, a Christian, and live in Canada with an American wife and relatives in the U.S. If you think Russia is your enemy then you better do a more efficient job of screwing your head on.

25 posted on 10/04/2001 1:00:57 PM PDT by Lent
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To: ipaq2000
What's best for the USA, is to keep Israel from becoming Afghanistan.....When is anyone going to realize who has been there for us through everything....The Arabs? Pullleaasseee! We are still cleaning up pieces of bodies out here at the WTC. Get Real!

Whether Christian or Jewish, the Holy Land will die with no Israel! Bethlehem and Nazareth are dangerous and not fit for visitors...Is that what you all want?

26 posted on 10/04/2001 1:01:00 PM PDT by KLT
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To: Lent
Maybe Israel should consider a realignment with Russia.

I am a christian as well, and I resent the implications on this post. Thank you Lent for your input....I agree completely with everything you wrote.

28 posted on 10/04/2001 1:03:50 PM PDT by KLT
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To: Bold Fenian
"Big speeches about "honor" and "freedom" by little British imperialists form one of the great, though underappreciated, genres in comic literature."

Yawn. How's the war in Ireland going?

29 posted on 10/04/2001 1:05:54 PM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: KLT
Thanks KLT.
30 posted on 10/04/2001 1:08:20 PM PDT by Lent
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To: Bold Fenian
Poor Tony. He is in Moscow trying to figure out who'll be the winner. Wonder if he still has Islamabad on his itinerary later today...
31 posted on 10/04/2001 1:10:12 PM PDT by CommiesOut
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To: LarryM And Others On This Thread
How about killing our enemies instead of kissing up to them?

Glad to find some people with a rational outlook.....Israel must protect herself...and BTW, for all those who are busy bashing Israel, anyone ever hear of disinformation? Bush is very Pro-Israel, he is a practicing Christian. Don't believe everything you hear!

32 posted on 10/04/2001 1:10:39 PM PDT by KLT
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To: KLT
Bethlehem and Nazareth are dangerous and not fit for visitors...Is that what you all want?

New York is dangerous and not fit for visitors. Let's get the hell out of the Middle East and take care of ourn own interests. Those people have been killing each other for centuries, and we have no business being over there.

33 posted on 10/04/2001 1:11:15 PM PDT by The Green Goblin
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To: Lent
Thanks KLT.

Your welcome Lent, thank you too.

34 posted on 10/04/2001 1:11:57 PM PDT by KLT
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To: Lent
It's that or Israel will be defined solely by the whim of U.S. foreign policy and the further destruction of innocent Jews by the terrorist pigs which largely makeup the "Palestinians".

Sorry to say that you are right. We're losing our honor where Israel is concerned and I think it's a disgrace. Prime Minister Sharon should act in Israel's best interest and do what must be done to protect his citizens. America can't be counted on while we're so busy cozying up to Arab butchers. I hope that President Bush doesn't forget who our friends really are. One could have expected that from clinton, but I hoped W would be more trustworthy.

35 posted on 10/04/2001 1:14:35 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: pgkdan
bttttttt
36 posted on 10/04/2001 1:18:19 PM PDT by Lent
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To: The Green Goblin
New York is dangerous and not fit for visitors. Let's get the hell out of the Middle East and take care of ourn own interests. Those people have been killing each other for centuries, and we have no business being over there.

So then maybe we should get out of everywhere! First of all my friend, there were no attacks within Israel's borders from 1967 till the Clintooons made Israel into their own private little playground bringing Arafat back from exile.

Number 2, you're damn right NY is dangerous, thanks to the Arab terrorists, so maybe we should just coddle them some more? If you are nieve enough to believe they attacked us because of Israel, I've got a nice bridge to sell you right near Ground Zero....Hello....

37 posted on 10/04/2001 1:18:22 PM PDT by KLT
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To: ipaq2000
They say it all

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3bba05d029ee.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3bbc72176bdc.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3bbc84ad15ba.htm

38 posted on 10/04/2001 1:19:16 PM PDT by LiveFree2000
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It's official now.

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Russian airliner crash caused by terrorist act - Israeli minister
BBC Monitoring Service - United Kingdom; Oct 4, 2001 ............ http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalarchive/article.html?id=011004005945

Text of report by Russian news agency ITAR-TASS

The cause of the crash of the Russian Tu-154 airliner with Israelis on board was a terrorist act, Israel's Transport Minister Efrayim Sne has said.

Source: ITAR-TASS news agency, Moscow, in Russian 1232 gmt 4 Oct 01

/BBC Monitoring/ © BBC.

40 posted on 10/04/2001 1:21:39 PM PDT by CommiesOut
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To: Lent
Well I see the Jihad cheering section is gearing up again. The remark about New York, especially now, is sick. I am dismayed at the callousness of these apologists for Hamas, et al.
42 posted on 10/04/2001 1:26:47 PM PDT by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: LarryM
How about killing our enemies instead of kissing up to them?

BUMP!!

43 posted on 10/04/2001 1:27:20 PM PDT by Anamensis
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To: KLT
Number 2, you're damn right NY is dangerous, thanks to the Arab terrorists, so maybe we should just coddle them some more? If you are nieve enough to believe they attacked us because of Israel, I've got a nice bridge to sell you right near Ground Zero....Hello....

BTTTT

44 posted on 10/04/2001 1:28:45 PM PDT by Lent
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To: Lock & Load
Israel does not deserve the support of America.

Sharon is not war criminal.

He sued a paper that called him one - AND WON. So better be careful.

Poll: US-Israel ties stronger than ever

Jerusalem Post, by Dan Izenberg

American support for close US ties with Israel is stronger than ever following the September 11 attacks, a poll conducted by International Communications Research (ICR) shows. ICR, a leading American polling firm which does work for ABC News, The Washington Post, and the Associated Press, found that 92 percent of Americans endorse full cooperation between the US and Israel in combating terrorism, while 4% oppose such cooperation. Seventy-four percent of Americans favor either strengthening ties with Israel or maintaining the current, close relationship. Only 10% favor distancing the US from Israel.

And from another article:

"A frustrated Secretary of State Colin Powell insisted Wednesday that the US-led anti-terrorism campaign was not directed at Islam despite persistent reports in the Arab and Muslim world to the contrary.

"The fact that Israel is a strategic partner of ours and we support Israel and we will do everything to make sure Israel can live in peace and security, should not be seen, although I'm afraid it is often seen, as being anti-Arab."

45 posted on 10/04/2001 1:29:05 PM PDT by veronica
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To: Brian S
The Israeli gov't is freaking out because the USA is finally establishing some form of diplomatic contacts with countries it doesn't approve of.

Ah the Israeli government?

Like Cal Thomas - who is an American, Christian, Conservative journalist - the most widely read in the US?

September 11th's last casualty

"THE Bush administration appears ready to make a serious foreign policy mistake at the moment it is trying to stamp out the evil of terrorism as practiced by Osama bin Laden and his followers.

According to numerous press reports, the administration has linked the dispute between Israel and the Palestinians with unrest in the entire region and is now said to be ready to back the creation of a Palestinian state. It apparently believes such a state will diminish unrest and brutality in a neighborhood that has known little else for the 2,000 years Israel did not exist as a nation-state and in the ensuing 53 years that it has."

Follow link for more. Nope...it's not the Israeli govt. It's sane people.

46 posted on 10/04/2001 1:34:47 PM PDT by veronica
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To: CommiesOut
It's official now.

Very cute, but no cigar.

(18:20) Reports: Ukrainian army shot down plane By Jerusalem Post Internet Staff, Ap

It is being reported here that the Ukranian army may have fired a missile that shot down the Sibir Airlines plane that crashed into the Black Sea this afternoon en route from Israel to Siberia.

A senior Ukranian nayy officer, Igor Larichev, said the missile accidentally hit the plane that was carrying some 75 - 77 passengers and crew.

However, a short time later, Ukraine's Defense Ministry issued a statement denying that it fired a missile that was capable of hitting the plane.

It is understood the Ukrainian army may have fired some 20 missiles today as part of military exercises in the area of the Black Sea.

"All the rockets used during the training exercise had guaranteed service lives and self-destruction mechanisms in case they deviated from their course," said Defense Minister Oleksandr Kuzmuk, according to a statement released by ministry spokesman Kostyantyn Khivrenko.

A U.S. Defense Department official in Washington, speaking on condition of anonymity, said a land-based surface-to-air missile had been fired from the Crimean region of Ukraine.

Ukraine is the only country known to be conducting military exercises in the Black Sea area, the official said.

The downing of the airliner appeared to be accidental, the U.S. officials said.

Romanian and French pilots are also taking part in an air exercise in the region of Romania's Black Sea port of Constanta, Romanian officials have said. The exercise apparently includes the firing of air-to-ground missiles.

The Ukrainian exercises were conducted on Cape Onuk, in Crimea, about 250 kilometers (160 miles) from the site of the crash, on territory controlled by the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

Ukrainian anti-aircraft, navy, rocket forces, aviation and artillery took part as well as Russian forces including shore-based forces and a guard ship.

Part of the exercise involved firing on an unmanned aircraft.

According to military officials, the exercise included anti-aircraft S-125, S-200 and S-300 rockets, which are similar to U.S. "Patriot" missiles, and R-300 tactical rockets.

"The direction of the firing and the distance do not correspond to the plane's explosion site either in theory or in practice. All the hits by the rockets used during the exercise were recorded by corresponding devices and reached their targets," Khivrenko, the Ukrainian defense spokesman, said.

"Moreover, the monitoring means of Ukraine's Air Defense Forces as well as those of the Ukrainian air traffic control did not record the presence of any civilian aircraft in the exercise area during the maneuvers."

He said that the targets were at a distance of 35-39 kilometers (21-24 miles).

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Putin says he remains unconvinced that the plane was hit by accident.

47 posted on 10/04/2001 1:36:51 PM PDT by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: KLT
Where did you get the idea that I believed that the terrorists should be "coddled"? I certainly didn't express that view in my post. The terrorists should be swiftly and unmercifully annihilated along with any country which supports such acts. The fact reamins however, that the US has no business giving Israel aid of any sort.
48 posted on 10/04/2001 1:37:03 PM PDT by The Green Goblin
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To: NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
I have been on FR since just about day one and I am finally getting a PhD in revisionist history. The hate that exzudes from this thread alone makes Ben Laden look mainstream.
49 posted on 10/04/2001 1:37:45 PM PDT by cksharks
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