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Will the Real Islam Please Stand Up!
Van Jenerette Editorial Comment, Various Publications ^ | Sunday, October 14, 2001 | Van Jenerette

Posted on 10/14/2001 7:45:23 PM PDT by Van Jenerette

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1 posted on 10/14/2001 7:45:23 PM PDT by Van Jenerette
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To: Van Jenerette
Tell the Muslim's who have hijacked Islam about their religion!

It's western propaganda which tells non-mulims that Islam has been Hijacked !!!!!!

PSSSSSSS , the true Islam is practiced in saudi arabia, and it's not that different from the TALBIN Version!!!

2 posted on 10/14/2001 7:51:23 PM PDT by KQQL
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To: Van Jenerette
very fine
3 posted on 10/14/2001 7:57:17 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: Van Jenerette
I do not seem to recall those people who jumped all over the militia movement during OKC, filling the airwaves telling the populace that the so call perpetrators did not reflect the bulk of the militia movement. Why do Muslims get the benefit of the doubt? It isn't like they earned it. Meanwhile in Nigeria today "peaceful" Muslims are on a killing spree like in the movie "Khartoum". Read "Exodus" and you can see how "peaceful" these people are.
4 posted on 10/14/2001 7:58:18 PM PDT by L`enn
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
BTTT
5 posted on 10/14/2001 7:59:22 PM PDT by onyx
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To: Van Jenerette
This is actually the first opinion I've seen that reflects my sentiments EXACTLY!!! From the 'not giving a rat's a** right down the line. I'm really fed up with all the media encouraging Americans to "understand Islam." The fact of the matter is, it's not MY religion. I have a hard enough time understanding Catholicism, and it doesn't have a "good Catholicism" and an evil twin, "Bad Catholicism." It's pretty cut and dried that you're not supposed to kill people on it's behalf. When someone does cold-bloodedly do so, Catholics don't say, "oh that's the OTHER interpretation of catholicism." Thank you for a wonderful article. I'd like to see more of your writings.
6 posted on 10/14/2001 8:03:45 PM PDT by DogMom
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To: Van Jenerette
Before you FLAME me please see my profile! Woodstock is not a place or mindset...he is a childhood cartoon figure and sometimes a pilot's call-name....
As far as this article: I have been asking anyone who will listen: Where are the Islamic and/or Muslim people who know that Bin Laden is WRONG? Why don't we hear thier outcry? I just don't get it. Our nation was defended by and built upon people who had much to lose by speaking out against tyranny, yet they did? What is going on here? Do most people of the Islamic faith agree in the violence and hatred that Bin Laden represents? I know I am young and often naive, but why don't Islamic people speak up and ask for Bin Landen's head?
7 posted on 10/14/2001 8:03:57 PM PDT by Woodstock
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To: Van Jenerette
Ask the Armenians about Islam's wonderful record of religious tolerence and pluralism.
8 posted on 10/14/2001 8:04:06 PM PDT by Clinton's a rapist
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To: Van Jenerette
I have been mulling over these same question for quite some time. I have come to the conclusion that nearly every trouble spot in the world involves Muslims. In fact, nearly thirty years ago they turned a very cosmopoliton Beirut into a war zone because they didn't believe that all the non-believers had a right to life.
9 posted on 10/14/2001 8:10:30 PM PDT by Parmy
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To: Van Jenerette
Laser guided, GPS enhanced, exactly-what-I've-been-trying-to-say, on target Bump.
10 posted on 10/14/2001 8:13:54 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Van Jenerette
Thank you, Sir, for taking the time to bring this essay to us.
11 posted on 10/14/2001 8:14:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Van Jenerette
And after you're through asking the Armenians, ask the Biafrans.

Radical Islamism = Racism = Genocide

12 posted on 10/14/2001 8:14:38 PM PDT by Clinton's a rapist
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To: Van Jenerette
Very nicely put. I'm sure most of us here agree with what you say. The real question is, how come none of our media are willing to say it or print it?

To extend some of the replies above, how often do you hear some liberal commentator say that "real Christian fundamentalists aren't mean-spirited"? Or even "Not all pro-lifer protesters believe in shooting abortionists"?

Two or three whackos kill abortionists, and the media have spent twenty years smearing the pro-life movement. Millions of Muslims dance and cheer when the Trade Towers collapse, and the media will no doubt spend twenty more years explaining why they are all really innocent victims of American imperialism.

13 posted on 10/14/2001 8:15:52 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: Van Jenerette
Very well put. BTTT.
14 posted on 10/14/2001 8:16:22 PM PDT by bluebeowulf
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To: Van Jenerette
The U.S. government is not going to admit there are hundreds of millions of Muslims, worldwide, who cheer the slaughter of Sept 11th.

The American people are way ahead of the government on this. We are not stupid and we don't see ANY Muslims taking up the sword to slay the murderers who are supposedly not practicing TRUE Islam. IT IS A LIE!

Where are civilized Muslims willing to kill the barbaric ones who murder innocents?

15 posted on 10/14/2001 8:24:01 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Van Jenerette
Uh, if you Freepers worship me, follow me, and do whatever I say I'll make sure you guys (women don't count, sorry) will get a bunch of babes in "paradise". And if you do follow me you get to snuff those that don't and take all their stuff and do what you like with their women. If they happen to get you first though the paradise/babe thing still applies.

I have a few rules. You have to bow down and pray to Seattle a few times a day, you can't eat pork pizza, you can't use Linux, you have to know asp and VB, etc. That kind of stuff. And I get to make up more rules as I go!

Whatcha think?

BillallahGates

16 posted on 10/14/2001 8:25:07 PM PDT by isthisnickcool
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To: Van Jenerette
THANK YOU!

Welcome Home Brother

And please pay a visit here
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17 posted on 10/14/2001 8:29:00 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Snow Bunny; Billie
words of wisdom from a Vet
18 posted on 10/14/2001 8:34:27 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Van Jenerette
"Will The Real Islam Please Stand Up?"

The real islam can be seen on a video entitled, "Sudan, the hidden holocaust". Islam is a violent ancient cult, which that is both inherently imperialistic and demonically driven.

19 posted on 10/14/2001 8:34:53 PM PDT by God_isa_Jew
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To: amom; Yellow Rose of Texas; Alamo-Girl
ping
20 posted on 10/14/2001 8:35:57 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: FallGuy; LadyX
ping
21 posted on 10/14/2001 8:40:50 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: JoeSixPack1
ping
22 posted on 10/14/2001 8:44:48 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Extremly cogent and well put. An old curmudgeon as myself, has been reduced to exclaiming to thin air, the following: What if some maniacs identifying themselves as "Christians", committed an appalling atrocity, on a nation of Islam? Can anyone imagine the Muslims being told - Oprah style, "you are now being given a course on Christianity 101"? Would Muslims be told "you must try to understand this hate,to prevent repeat attacks".Can anyone imagine the authority there, threatening "hate mongers" with jail if they attacked resident Christians etc?

I am absolutely suffering from Islamafatigue. Spouse is sopping it up on the tube daily. No, I dont care about Islam and its tenets. Since reading Fifteen Decisive Battles Of The World by Edward Creasy. (Battle of Tours 732 AD)- I am all to well aware of the titanic struggles between Western civilization and Islam.

23 posted on 10/14/2001 8:46:12 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Van Jenerette
I think a lot of us are getting sick of the schitzo propaganda about what Islam REALLY stands for(or doesn't stand for) being directed at the western world.

Why aren't they lecturing their own rogue clerics who are instigating rioting mobs of Muslims in Pakistan, Indonesia and Nigeria who support Osama?
Furthermore, why do they air the threatening rants by Osama and his flunkies on Arab TV without demanding equal time to refute their heresies?

They need to stop lecturing us, and start thinking about the negative image Islam has as a result of the numerous terrorist groups that claim Islam is their motivation to kill innocent people.

24 posted on 10/14/2001 8:52:45 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Van Jenerette
why should I be the target audience on what 'true' Islam really is?

Because an embarrasingly large percentage of our population is ignorant and will blame innocent, peaceful people based solely on their religion.

Is the media overdoing it?
Probably.
But we also have plenty of idiots that need to be told over and over again before it sinks in.

If you've already gotten the message, do what I do: switch the channel. (It's so much easier nowadays with remote control and all the different channels that are available on cable.)

25 posted on 10/14/2001 8:54:19 PM PDT by Willie Green
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Target hit George! They can't have it both ways, can they?

thanks bro

26 posted on 10/14/2001 8:56:39 PM PDT by Van Jenerette
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To: Van Jenerette
Bump for an excellent read
Why haven't the American Muslims taken to the streets in protest of the hijacking of their religion and in their support of their homeland?
Until I see something like it, I'll be suspicious of the "peaceful, loving, Muslims" portrayed by the liberal media
27 posted on 10/14/2001 8:57:40 PM PDT by apackof2
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To: Willie Green
Peaceful people who doe not speak out about the murder of innocents in the name of their religion are neither peaceful or religious - they are cowards. The term idiots rest more with the mass of silent 'Muslims' than with honest Americans of any faith.
28 posted on 10/14/2001 9:00:59 PM PDT by Van Jenerette
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To: ProudGOP
BTTT
29 posted on 10/14/2001 9:04:04 PM PDT by ProudGOP
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To: Van Jenerette
Outstanding!!!!
30 posted on 10/14/2001 9:14:15 PM PDT by ChowChowFace
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To: Van Jenerette; B4Ranch; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; ChaseR
Well written and I agree !

If and I say IF the muslims here in America hate what the terrorists have done, I for one expect them to take out full page ads in newspapers across America. Have their organizations whatever they are put pressure on the Taliban. You name it and STOP behaving like whiners and get as outraged as the rest of America has been.

Are they????
NO

Instead we hear from the media on how to bleeding heart feel their pain, understand their religon that treats women like dirt , and how they are not to blame for what Osama has done and his gang of mass murderers.

Give me a break !

31 posted on 10/14/2001 9:14:58 PM PDT by FallGuy
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To: Willie Green
Because an embarrasingly large percentage of our population is ignorant and will blame innocent, peaceful people based solely on their religion.

I have to admit, when this first started, I wanted to go to the local Islamic center and offer my condolences that they were being targeted unfairly, see if I could help out families that were afraid to leave home to get groceries, that sort of thing.

But the farther this progresses, I want to go to the local Islamic center and ask them why they aren't doing more to help US. We have heard little but their insistence that they should be protected, Islam is a peaceful religion. Hum. Clearly "peace", "freedom", and many other words mean something different to Muslims than to the rest of the world.

Why would I want to know more about Islam? I believe the catchphrase is "know thine enemy".

32 posted on 10/14/2001 9:17:36 PM PDT by edayna
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To: FallGuy; Snow Bunny
I see "rants" run in the family, hehehe
33 posted on 10/14/2001 9:19:01 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Van Jenerette
Why, why, why Islam? In order to understand whys and what’s about Islam one has to look up at the history and the core of the religions. We have Christianity and Judaism. Call it Judeo-Christianity, if you will. The basis of Judeo-Christianity is all around the revelation of God to Abraham/Moses/David/John/Jesus/Paul. The message is best put by the Beatles: lift up yourself. On a more serious note, the vector of the Judeo-Christian values is inward. Remember Jesus preaching to the crowds on the mountain in Gallely? Remember David's Psalms? Cries of John the Baptist. It is all inward. Improve yourself, teach the others. If they do not care - leave them alone: God will judge. Yes, someone can argue, there were the brutal Jewish conquests of Canaan, Crusaders etc. Yes, but those were deviations from the teachings of the Tora or the Bible, and not the ORGANIC PART of it. Now, to Mr. Mohammed of the Arab tribe of Hashem. The end of 6th century AD. This apocalyptic, weak bodied fellow with an immense hatred towards his uncles, who thought the young Mohammed was possessed by Gins (demons), had something on his mind. These were two things: unification of the multitude of the Arab tribes, and, yes, conquest of the world. The fellow, being a brilliant political strategist, discovered that the best way for his political goals would be some kind of monotheistic religion. He turned towards the Jews (they ruled in next town over to Mecca, called Medina), but found out they were too tribal, besides the rabbis laughed at him and called him bad words. He would never forget this. The Christians were bunch of peacenicks and with their message he couldn’t go too far either. At this juncture, Mohammed, already a prosperous businessman, decided to ENGINEER a NEW religion. This new religion he called Islam. To make it more believable to people around him, he takes a lot of stuff from the Bible, tells everybody that no more no less than Archangel Gabriel visits him and dictates a pure word of God (Allah) which he, Mohammed, the last and ultimate Prophet puts down in a book called Koran. In 1848 Karl Marx wrote his Manifest of the Communist Party. This was the basic manual for action of the millions of his followers for hundred plus years since. So was the Koran. Mohammed was instrumental in unifying the Arab tribes, Khalifs after him conquered the World (at least darn good chunk of it). The message of the religion of peace, Islam, is not really peace at ALL. Do not compare the Koran and message there with what you find in a Gospel. Everything, the approach to an individual, free choice, will of God, etc. is different in Islam. The vector is outward. You're are nothing in Islam, but a PART of a bigger entity, your path in life is already written by faith, the greatest honour is to give your life to that greater entity, hence to Allah... Anyway, if one had a set of some magic glasses and looked through them on our Bible, he would read one word: LOVE. Not so with Koran, not so. The word would be CONQUEST, and that's it. This is why, my friend, there is no such thing as a RADICAL Islam... There is just Islam, evil at the core, a sling-shot waiting for the right circumstance to be released and give you either a black eye, or .... an ultimate peace.
34 posted on 10/14/2001 9:19:03 PM PDT by Brusensky
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To: Van Jenerette
EXCELLENT article!!!! You nailed it.
35 posted on 10/14/2001 9:19:38 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Willie Green
Because an embarrasingly large percentage of our population is ignorant and will blame innocent, peaceful people based solely on their religion.

Uh, the REAL embarrasment is the "large percentage" of THEIR population ...who are ignorant of what their own religion (supposedly) stands for.
They are the ones claiming all Muslims should target and kill Americans and Jews, and so are far more responsible for giving Islam a bad name than non-Muslims who have no obligation to research their own religion amd make the case for them as to what real Islam stands for.

36 posted on 10/14/2001 9:21:33 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Travis McGee; mercy
Don't know if you've seen this, it's a must read.
37 posted on 10/14/2001 9:23:02 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
LOL
38 posted on 10/14/2001 9:23:43 PM PDT by FallGuy
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To: Van Jenerette
Yeah. We have heard from many Muslims, but many more need to speak up!

There is relative safety -- & power ---- in numbers!

39 posted on 10/14/2001 9:24:30 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
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To: Van Jenerette
Interesting stuff, really well written. I'm about to check out your website...
40 posted on 10/14/2001 9:24:45 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: DogMom
oh that's the OTHER interpretation of catholicism

Oh it exists alright. That interpretation of Catholicism votes for pro-abortion, DemocRAT candidates.

Ted Kennedy is the Osama of that sect!

41 posted on 10/14/2001 9:26:27 PM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: KQQL
Propaganda is right, I think what they are really trying to do is begin the conversion of the infidels to Islam. That's why they are telling us and not telling the radicals. The one lie they don't tell is that they intend eventually for the whole world to be under an Islamic state because that's what is instructed. That's why they claim to be peace-loving but killing millions of people in Africa, beheading people in Indonesia etc etc. They do want "peace" but only the kind of peace they believe will happen when everyone if forced to be just like them.
42 posted on 10/14/2001 9:26:46 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Van Jenerette
Reply #23 should have been to you. Sorry,losing it a bit over my Islamafatigue.
43 posted on 10/14/2001 9:32:10 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: edayna
Why would I want to know more about Islam?

I stopped wanting to know about Islam back in college when I saw the Muslim students and they told me about it. They will claim to be very holy but then go to the cheapest bars and pick up the cheapest women, they drink, they gamble and unlike most Christians who do this they still claim to be very religious. All their definitions are different, adultery is only if a married woman is cheating, it's okay for the men, they have a convenient "temporary" marriage which can last one night, one week or however long called mutaa. They can have 4 wives but if that isn't enough, they can have "concubines". Women are just property, usually exchanged for some material item. It's not a very appealing religion.

44 posted on 10/14/2001 9:33:41 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Van Jenerette
This is one of the best articles I've read in a long time.

It is extremely hard to argue with, very logical, and derives from basic Western principles of fairness and accountability.

This article should be published on the front page of every major newspaper in the Western world.

Honest dialogue is needed - not touchy-feely "Muslims are misunderstood" propaganda. This piece raises some very important questions that NEED to be addressed.

45 posted on 10/14/2001 9:42:13 PM PDT by MCH
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
You are asking them for a suicide. No microscope is big enough to find a Muslim fellow who is genuinely and with no conditions attached outraged by the September 11th. On a surface they give you 1000 and one reasons (that usually starts with the US support fo Israel). Deep inside it is just hate, pure and simple!
46 posted on 10/14/2001 9:43:01 PM PDT by Brusensky
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To: Woodstock
No microscope is big enough to find a Muslim fellow who is genuinely and with no conditions attached outraged by the September 11th. On a surface they give you 1000 and one reasons (that usually starts with the US support fo Israel). Deep inside it is just hate, pure and simple!
47 posted on 10/14/2001 9:45:15 PM PDT by Brusensky
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To: God_isa_Jew
Amen to that
48 posted on 10/14/2001 9:47:00 PM PDT by Brusensky
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To: Van Jenerette
Well, SIR, I can see why you opted out at rank of Major. Good article. Hope someone with as much sense has the ear of our President.

I don't suppose we could get you and Ollie to go back in could we?

49 posted on 10/14/2001 9:48:12 PM PDT by mercy
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To: Van Jenerette; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
GREAT article !!!!!!!!!! Thank you so much.
50 posted on 10/14/2001 9:48:31 PM PDT by Snow Bunny
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