Posted on 10/23/2001 8:39:39 AM PDT by spycatcher
Pre-Islamic Arabia's religion was one of superstition. Belief in jinns (genies), curse casting, magic stones, totems was the norm - and it was against this background that Allah arose. Although the Quran is claimed to be a heavenly writing with no earthly source, evidence of these very sorts of cultural influence is found in such places as Suras 55, 72, 113 and 114.
Animism, the belief that spirits inhabit rocks, trees and other elements was also very commonplace. Some of these stones were venerated and used as a focal point for the worship of a particular tribal god. No surprise, Muhammad's family had just such a stone for their own tribe - a black stone, in fact, that they kept at the Kabah (where the tribal idols were set up). The pagan rites of bowing toward Mecca, making a pilgrimage to the Kabah, running around it seven times, kissing it, then running to the river to throw stones at the devil all found there way into Islamic practice.
The final piece of the puzzle was in found in the religion of the Sabeans, an astral religion that worshipped the moon god and planned their religious rites around the lunar calendar. One such rite was fasting from crescent moon to crescent moon, a practice which would also be adopted by Muhammad.
If these things were not present before Muhammad received them from Allah (who himself is the moon god of Muhammad's tribe), why did Muhammad not have to explain what those words meant in the Quran? How would people have known who Allah was? ( or: what a jinn was? what the Kabah was? what the word Islam meant? etc.). Even the word "Islam" which many believe to mean "submission" was not an original word. In Arabic it was a secular term that denoted the strength and bravery of a desert warrior (a definition that accurately reflects the war-like tribes that founded Islam with bloodshed).
The Moon God
"Allah" is from the compound Arabic word "al-ilah" or in english "the god". Allah was known before Muhammad's time without a doubt. His name has been found in pre-islamic writings and other archeological finds. At the Kabah in Mecca over 350 gods were worshipped, but it was built especially for the chief deity - the moon god. Allah was the personal title of the moon god. Allah was married to the sun goddess. They produced three daughters, whose worship Muhammad would later make the mistake of condoning. The crescent moon symbol of Arabia came from this god.
Muhammad's family revered this particular god, and it is this idol that Muhammad declared to be the only true god. So, Allah - far from being the revealed God of the Bible as Muhammad would have us believe - is nothing more than an amplified pagan idol. Muhammad did not re-make the pagan god, he simply removed the lower deities from the rites of worship. That is why he never had to explain who Allah was. By definition, an idol converted in the 7th century into a new god cannot be the sama God revealed thousands of years earlier to Biblical prophets!
So, now Adam is "rosy." Give me a small break.
No, that would be "sarcasm" I was attempting. Your whole inquiry on the racial characteristics of Adam is looney tunes -- and futile.
Just wondering.
Let me state that again, those of us who are regenerated, blood-bought, blood-washed Christians are not religious.
Ours is a relationship with the Son of God, and that relationship was revealed by the Holy Spirit.
The term "religion" sums up theocratic definitions, so it is correct to say that Christianity is a religion. But it is so much more than that.
Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. Therefore, once the Gospel has been preached, without respect to geographical positioning, a person becomes converted (i.e. redeemed) once the Holy Spirit quickens that person's spirit so that he can "see" the truth of the Gospel. This regeneration brings confession, repentance, and acceptance of the Sacrifice that allows one to have a personal relationship with God through his revealed Word, Jesus Christ.
Once regeneration and redemption has been completed, the believer doesn't need any type of "religion" whatsoever, therefore, true Christians are not "religious."
You can rail against religion all you want. God Himself knows that He is not welcome in most "religious" institutions.
Look up "ruddy" in the dictionary, goofy. It's rosy.
No, that would be "sarcasm" I was attempting. Your whole inquiry on the racial characteristics of Adam is looney tunes -- and futile.
I have the bible to back me up. If you disagree with me, why don't you document your claims?
Adam's name means "ruddy complected" in the Hebrew manuscripts (God's word that was translated into English for the bible). What more do you want?
1Sa 16:12 And he sent, and brought him in. Now he [was] ruddy, [and] withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the LORD said, Arise, anoint him: for this [is] he. (David)
1Sa 17:42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was [but] a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance. (David)
Sgs 5:10 My beloved [is] white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand. (Jesus)
Lam 4:7 Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing [was] of sapphire: (Jesus' home)
Adam was ruddy. Read it and weep.
Jesus is Issa in the Bible, Issa is another name for Esau. How can a Moslem say, We love Jesus but he's Esau, so he's not talking about the same person. It's sort of like if I tell a Catholic, I really love your pope, but he's the antichrist. Or I really follow your pope as one of our religious guides, but he's an atheist. Of course, a Moslem is not going to agree with the premise that Allah is derived from Ilah the moon-god, but why do so many Christians accept the premise that Moslems love Jesus when they say things about him that should be blasphemous to any Christian? Is it because we are ignorant or just that Moslems stand up more for Allah than some Christians stand up for Jesus.
My grandfather was born a Moslem in Syria, later became an Orthodox Christian. There are a lot of Moslems who mix Islam with mysticism, and lots of shamanism and witchcraft practiced in Middle Eastern countries, etc. so I said above that the link between the moon god and Allah is intriguing, that doesn't mean I'm attempting to insult a whole religious group, that would be insulting my own great grandparents and a beautiful culture minus the militant Islam (and the food is good too). You'll just never get me to agree that Allah is God.
How am I saying my race is superior? Since you think Adam was an Arab, does that mean you think Arabs are superior?
All you just showed me said nothing about Adam being white. It mentions other people, but not Adam.
The name Adam translates to ruddy complected in the Hebrew. If you want to close your ears to truth, there's nothing I can do I guess. The bible flat out says that Jesus and David were ruddy complected. That should be a big hint that their fathers were too. The caucasion skin pigment trait isn't dominant so if Jesus and David were ruddy that means many if not all of their fathers were ruddy. I guess you can't put two and two together.
God made all races, and it's a crying shame you feel so crummy about yourself and whatever bitterness you hold that you must resort to the one of the oldest lies in the book. That lie is "I am better than my brother."
You are a liar. I never said that.
God bless you and your loved ones. I pray you find the truth, and turn away from lies.
If Adam, Jesus, and David weren't ruddy, then why does the bible have these lines in them and tell me what they mean since you think you have a monopoly on truth:
1Sa 16:12 And he sent, and brought him in. Now he [was] ruddy, [and] withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the LORD said, Arise, anoint him: for this [is] he. (David)
1Sa 17:42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was [but] a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance. (David)
Sgs 5:10 My beloved [is] white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand. (Jesus)
Lam 4:7 Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing [was] of sapphire: (Jesus' home)
If you think there was nothing but brown-skinned people in the middle east, then explain these lines to me.
Huh?
Try picturing the following: the "Star of David" is actually first and foremost "The Magen David" -- it is two triangles: one pointing up, one pointing down.
"So above, so below..."
Except, we do live in an age where both scriptures are available to all who want to read, and choose.
I'm reading the bible, and am not very interested, I admit, what one of the distant tribes wrote hundreds of years after the good news of man's salvation.
Excuse me, but the Bible clearly says that an angel of light is from the devil - not God!!
Perhaps this will help some people realize why Islam is so full of hate and death!
Islam traces its lineage directly to Abraham. Allah is the God of Abraham. If you'll pause to review your scripture, Abraham's second son, Isaac became Abraham's heir. Ishmael rightfully expected to receive the special blessing of his father and be his heir. This is the archetype for the rift between Islam and Judaism. From the Islamic perspective, the when Sarah and Isaac conspired to steal the blessing from Ishmael, they also stole for the Jews the designation of "Chosen".
Given that this story is the seed of the two faiths and that Islam is represented by the spurned son, it's not that hard to imagine them having a harsher view of the Father, now, is it?
cj
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