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What IS Wrong With Clinton (and those like him) (my title)
11/10/01 | nicmarlo

Posted on 11/10/2001 4:07:45 PM PST by nicmarlo

After reading threads about Clinton, and one of the posts, especially, "What is wrong with Clinton?" (which refers to his recent, disgraceful speech at Georgetown), it made me wonder, really, what is wrong with him, what created him and those like him, and why anyone admires him.

My input on "what's wrong with Clinton," those like him, and his "admirers," is for the purpose of enlightenment (myself included) and prevention (in ourselves and over those whom we have some control, i.e., our children).

I. Philosophically: In the Republic, Plato attributes Socrates as saying "in all of us, even in good men, there is a lawless wild-beast nature." But it is the tyrannical man who does not control this beast from within. Instead, he allows the beast to devour any remaining goodness, or "sense of shame," within him and, simultaneously, allows the basest part of himself to grow and control what and who he is. He progressively is taken over by this lawless nature and, ultimately, becomes enslaved to his vices. The tyrannical man's needs, according to Socrates, are "insatiable."

This type of person is the most "unjust and miserable" of all. They live in constant fear of betrayal, amongst others. He is superficial, "always . . . in a fury of passions and desires." It is worse with a tyrant in power, not only because those beneath him are subject to his whims, but also because he "is not master of himself." He has no temperance, patience, steadfastness, stability, or confidence, in himself or others. I would say this type of man has no kind of respectable characteristics nor anything good that would attract genuine loyalty.

His fear (loss of power, prestige, possessions) drives him to behave in ways dishonorable and despicable: he is "obliged to practice the greatest adulation and servility, and to be the flatterer of the vilest of mankind. He has desires which he is utterly unable to satisfy, and has more wants than anyone. . . ."

Because the tyrannical individual's desires and needs are neverending, the good originally within has become diminutive or non-existent. Greater power, therefore, makes him more corrupt and, consequently, he becomes "more jealous, more faithless, more unjust, more friendless, more impious, than he was at first." Socrates also said, according to Plato, that an unpunished tyrant is worse yet.

II. Psycho/Social: According to Elliot Aronson (The Social Animal), people are subject to "cognitive disonance: a state of tension that occurs whenever an individual simultaneously holds two cognitions (ideas, attitudes, beliefs, opinions) that are psychologically inconsistent." In other words, when you believe one thing but act in contradiction to your belief, you experience cognitive disonance. When this occurs, people seek to justify their "wrong" behaviors so that neither they nor others will think badly of them.

Aronson writes "people don't like to see or hear things that conflict with their deeply held beliefs or wishes." Deep-seated attitudes are hard to change because we distort what we hear/see to fit our beliefs. The stronger our beliefs, the greater the distortion. Truth is filtered through our biases. And it becomes our own form of truth, or what my professor called our own "fog." We do not question our strongly held beliefs, we seek to justify them. Examples of this type of filtering abound. Aronson cites one study performed on cigarette smokers. (Don't flame me, I smoke.) Smokers were told studies showed that cigarettes cause cancer. They didn't want to feel stupid for continuing to smoke, so smokers sought to justify their behavior by mentally discrediting the studies. By doing so, they justifyied their behavior but continued harming themselves.

This kind of justification process has been applied to other behavior, such as investments (i.e., emotional or financial). There is a direct correlation between the greater the investment, the greater the loyalty. Why? Because you want others to think you're smart. If you're smart, you would only invest in smart people. If you've made a "major investment" in a person, it's difficult to admit you made a "huge mistake" without feeling foolish (hence not smart). This would explain why some individuals stick by a "poor investment."

III. Spiritually: In the Bible, it says that when people repeatedly commits acts which they know in their hearts are wrong, they are given over by God to a depraved state of mind. (Therefore God gave them up to uncleaness through the lusts of their own hearts . . ., Rom. 1:24; God gave them up unto vile affections, Rom. 1:26; God gave them over to a reprobate mind, Rom. 1:28.)

I suppose you could say the more wrong you do, the more callous you become to doing wrong and the easier it becomes to continue in wrongdoing.

Based, generally, on the above, I have come to the conclusion that Clinton has been encouraged, from his youth, to allow his "wild-beast nature" to grow unchecked. He has not been held accountable for his actions. He proclaims himself a Christian and attends church, holding his Bible for the cameras, but not holding himself to the mirror of its truths. He has surrounded himself with people he could "buy," who, through their own cognitive dissonance, could not allow themselves to admit or perceive the truth of who or what he is (a shameful and base human being). His followers live in a fog, filtering out this truth, thereby, encouraging him and themselves to become more blinded to the truth and, he, more base. God is the judge of all. I do not proclaim to be God. But He also said, you shall know them by their fruits. We have the right to judge their behavior and actions to determine right from wrong. And wrong should be punished, not encouraged.


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To: nicmarlo
. . . Klinton/Gorp team. They sold out our country for money and celebrity status and they knew what they were doing.
Yep. And probably plotted it for a long time beforehand (and are probably still plotting).
I think he's remaining in NY to get his foot into the UN, to resume his "totaltarian-terrorism" on the US. As an "ex-president" the US gov't would have a hard time going after him for treason, or...whatever else he's brewing. Anyone else have this fear? I hope I'm wrong.
21 posted on 11/10/2001 6:04:10 PM PST by kstewskis
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To: nicmarlo; cyn; lawgirl; ohioWfan; JohnHuang2; Miss Marple
A worthy bump! I think nicmarlo's summation of who bill klinton is (which is WHAT is wrong with him) is terrific!
22 posted on 11/10/2001 6:04:53 PM PST by Republic
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To: kstewskis
I think he's remaining in NY to get his foot into the UN, to resume his "totaltarian-terrorism" on the US . . .

Now, that's a scarey thought; one I've never thought of, but quite possible. I believe there's a reason why the Clintons picked New York. I hope this never comes to be.

23 posted on 11/10/2001 6:07:53 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Perhaps, he is damian thorn of the Omen trilogy? Damian also played to the "poor people" and ignorant of the world to facilitate his power base.
24 posted on 11/10/2001 6:08:00 PM PST by poet
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To: nicmarlo
His followers live in a fog

No way, they drink Klinton Koolaid.

25 posted on 11/10/2001 6:08:10 PM PST by VRWC For Truth
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To: nicmarlo; jjbrouwer
Now this is a VANITY with some thought behind it! :)

Nothing shameless here, but the subject bill clinton

26 posted on 11/10/2001 6:09:21 PM PST by SunnyUsa
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To: SunnyUsa
My funny pics encapsulate the great man. Click on my profile and the Daily Roast. Then funny pics.

Making life difficult for you is my raison d'etre
27 posted on 11/10/2001 6:12:35 PM PST by jjbrouwer
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To: nicmarlo
I believe it's called GUILT! When you feel guilty, you have this innate need to try to prove someone else is guilty. Therefore, you use the typical method of getting rid of your own guilt - you try to project that guilt upon someone else.

Hey, the democrats have been using this method of projection for years upon the republicans. This is nothing new - this is just par for the course with these people.

So, for what it's worth - what Clinton said was, "I didn't do it, it was YOUR fault". What a guy!!

28 posted on 11/10/2001 6:12:36 PM PST by Sueann
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To: Sueann
I believe it's called GUILT!

I would generally believe that; however, with Clinton I believe his guilt has been seared, his conscience so deeply smothered in hundreds of atrocities, he can no longer feel guilt, as normal people can and do. In this way, he has gone beyond what is normal and has been consumed by the vices he relentlessly seeks.

29 posted on 11/10/2001 6:18:29 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
"One great analysis of a (has been) president" Thanks for you report. You are now an offical "Fruit Inspector" .
30 posted on 11/10/2001 6:19:33 PM PST by digger-o
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To: digger-o
You are now an offical "Fruit Inspector

Why, thank ya.

31 posted on 11/10/2001 6:23:07 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: goodnesswins
, Klintoon is a NARCISSIST, as is his wife - totally self absorbed

BINGO!

32 posted on 11/10/2001 6:28:17 PM PST by Calpublican
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To: Republic; GretchenEE; esther2; Faith; ejo; whoever; nicmarlo
My favorite line... He proclaims himself a Christian and attends church, holding his Bible for the cameras, but not holding himself to the mirror of its truths.

Mine too! Thanks for the ping!!

EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT!!!! Thank you, nicmarlo!!!

33 posted on 11/10/2001 7:14:03 PM PST by ohioWfan
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To: Slyfox
Maybe Clinton gave that speech on purpose to try to take the heat he knew was going to be on Chelsea. She and Hillary are being raked thru the coals as you know. Read Drudge.
34 posted on 11/10/2001 7:23:48 PM PST by shiva
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To: NyteFlyte
Posting #4 gets my vote. He is THE ANTICHRIST!
35 posted on 11/10/2001 7:26:12 PM PST by joanofarc
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To: ohioWfan
Thank you much. Your compliments are appreciated. Too bad it had to be on such a sorry subject.
36 posted on 11/10/2001 7:26:46 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: shiva
Maybe Clinton gave that speech on purpose to try to take the heat he knew was going to be on Chelsea.

That is possible, however, that would be a dignified act, protecting his daughter (in another devious family "event," whatever the true story is, probably Hillary and Chelsea both made up stories). Somehow, I can't see Clinton putting anyone before himself, even his daughter.

37 posted on 11/10/2001 7:47:23 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: ohioWfan; ru4liberty
The man sold his soul for less than a mess of pottage.
38 posted on 11/10/2001 7:54:53 PM PST by whoever
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To: nicmarlo
The short answer is: They HATE America!
39 posted on 11/10/2001 7:57:05 PM PST by JulieRNR21
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To: nicmarlo
I believe you have nailed this down tight. The quote from Plato is particularly telling.

Beelzebubba is a wild beast with no self-restraint. A critter, not a man.

40 posted on 11/10/2001 8:07:03 PM PST by LibKill
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