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Can We Do Without Saudi Oil?
The Weekly Standard ^ | 11/19/2001 | Irwin M. Stelzer

Posted on 11/10/2001 4:44:11 PM PST by Pokey78

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1 posted on 11/10/2001 4:44:12 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
If push comes to shove can we do without it? Not a chance.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZT!!!

Wrongo! We only "can't do without it" if we refuse to develop our own resources. It is a political problem, not a technical problem. Nuclear can provide the bulk of the necessary substitution and many uses of oil are easily replaced by cheap electricity. Even the resulting demand for copper can be replaced with high temperature superconductors and liquid nitrogen requiring... electricity. Many material needs can be replcaced with technology and energy.

2 posted on 11/10/2001 5:07:08 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Pokey78
A better question is "Can the Saudis and Europe and Asia do without Saudi oil?"
3 posted on 11/10/2001 5:11:38 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Pokey78
A better question is "Can the Saudis and Europe and Asia do without Saudi oil?"
4 posted on 11/10/2001 5:12:31 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Carry_Okie
We actually are running out of places to store the crap right now.

I work at a refinery & we're full to overflowing.

That why prices are down & need to come down a lot more.

Every tank in every tank farm is bursting with product looking desperatly for a market right now like an old man with a prostate problem looking for a urinal.

5 posted on 11/10/2001 5:15:56 PM PST by norraad
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To: aruanan
No, a better question is "Can the Muslim world do without western oil money?" The answer is no.

The Iraqi mouthpiece said as much during the Gulf War. When asked if Iraq would withhold oil from the U.S. He said "What do you think we are going to do with the oil? Drink it? No, we are going to sell it to you!"

6 posted on 11/10/2001 5:18:27 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: Carry_Okie
It would still take years to build all the new nuclear reactors and meanwhile we'd be depended on Saudi oil. What I don't understand is why no serious effort has been undertaken to develop the technology to control the nuclear fusion reaction for use in power generation.
7 posted on 11/10/2001 5:19:22 PM PST by l33t
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To: norraad
MAN, I love FReeper reports from the inside of any story!

Thanks for keeping us from relying on the opinion pieces of 'news journalists.'

8 posted on 11/10/2001 5:19:31 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: norraad
By "the crap" I assume you mean oil. Does that include Elk Hills or are they expecting a problem?

All they would have to do to lose it is drop the price...

9 posted on 11/10/2001 5:20:15 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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10 posted on 11/10/2001 5:21:30 PM PST by dennisw
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To: Pokey78
Oil for Drugs??
11 posted on 11/10/2001 5:22:59 PM PST by maestro
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To: Pokey78; COB1
Yes, we can do without foreign oil, but the price would double or even triple.
12 posted on 11/10/2001 5:26:47 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: l33t
meanwhile we'd be depended on Saudi oil

Wrong. America has repeatedly shown that when crunch time comes, we WILL find a way to get the job done, no matter what the obstacles. If push comes to shove and we're asked to do with less oil so that we can wage war properly, we'll do it. We'll install solar, we'll consume less, we'll carpool, we'll give more business to corporations that are doing the best job of avoiding using petroleum products, we'll drill the heck out of any oil-head within 1000 miles of our shores, we'll find workable substitutes, we'll share home remedies with friends and strangers alike...

In short, we'll do what it takes to stick it up their @$$e$, until we win and we take over whatever resources we want as a reward for our sacrifices.

13 posted on 11/10/2001 5:27:24 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: Carry_Okie
"It is a political problem..."

Right on -- nothing but.

The Libs and darter snail crowd would still rather have America held hostage to the murderous and unholy alliances of Iraq and Saudi Arabia than to have this "precious" wasteland utilized.

I'm all for the ecology, but here we can kill two birds with one stone -- we can carefully drill for oil into 600,000 square miles of Alaska's still largely untapped reserve and become energy self-sufficient, while at the same time ruining the oil-based economies of the afore mentioned b@stard terrorist-sponsoring states.

14 posted on 11/10/2001 5:28:55 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: l33t
It would still take years to build all the new nuclear reactors and meanwhile we'd be depended on Saudi oil. What I don't understand is why no serious effort has been undertaken to develop the technology to control the nuclear fusion reaction for use in power generation.

No, it wouldn't. Nuclear reactors are off-the-shelf technology. They could be put up very quickly. There is serious effort in fusion, but it's still decades away from even a basic working model, let alone a commercial version. With fusion, you still have radioactivity to deal with. With fission, it's proven, reliable, safe, feasible, and cost-effective (not taking into account artificial costs imposed by anti-nuke suits), and it's ready right now. For that matter, using breeder reactors there is and will be plenty of fuel to supply all energy needs (that which doesn't rely on actually burning anything) for tens of thousands of years without even having to think of fusion. However, fusion would be great for such things as ore processing.
15 posted on 11/10/2001 5:31:22 PM PST by aruanan
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To: dennisw
We need to do everything possible to develop our resources, however that will obviously take time. It is so tragic for us that we have relied on Arab oil for so long due to the Sierra Club, et al, and now find ourselves in this kind of situation where we are dependant on nations that woud destroy us.

It seems to me that congress should have stated acting on this pronto, but partisan politics in the Senate is keeping us under the thumbs of the Arab Royals and having to tip toe around them to keep the oil flowing.

We need immediate action for the good of the nation from our representatives, not politics! My God, you would think they would KNOW this!

It is all about money and power though, not the good of the country.

16 posted on 11/10/2001 5:32:36 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: Pokey78
If the saudis didn't have oil, we wouldn't give a sh*t about them.
17 posted on 11/10/2001 5:36:09 PM PST by hoosierboy
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To: Pokey78
The question should be can the Saudi's do without US support You cannot eat oil, who would support those computers ??? etc etc... Think about it
18 posted on 11/10/2001 5:37:01 PM PST by qwert
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Putin wants to become best buds with America. The Ruskies have plenty of oil that just needs to be properly pumped out of the ground and refined.
Well then, lets do business with the Ruskies. How better to change enemies into friends than to bring Russia from military enemy/rival to economic friend? Become free-market friends and raise the Ruskies standard of living.
Let the Saudis, Kuwaitis, UAE, Iraq and Iran keep their oil.
19 posted on 11/10/2001 5:37:02 PM PST by RadicalRik
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To: Pokey78
Canada, although rich in natural gas, has relatively small known reserves of oil that are economically recoverable at anything like current prices.

Prices are not going to be anything like curent prices for very long. So spending the money on a processing capability to recover reserves from oil shale and sand is likely to be a wise investment right now. Another remedy that the author may not be aware of is a process in the testing phase for a new type of tertiary treatment that involves pumping natural gas steam under high pressures into existing depleated formations. As everyone knows, with the maximum treatment previously available, we only recovered about 50% of the reserves before we abandoned production. So as many reserves as have been recovered in the US are now available to recover again, given a sufficient commitment of capital and other resources.

However these are very high risk economic activities. Long term, twenty or thirty years out, the world is in fact awash in oil from the Caspian Sea and the Middle East. New technologies are close that will provide great substitutes for hydrocarbons.

The reasons the Major Oil Companies have left the United States are tax policy and political climate. Domestic energy is no longer an attractive economic activity except for small producers who can focus on Natural Gas.

There needs to be an economic incentive to the developers of these resources that does not depend on the short term tax whims of the US Congress.

In almost any event, you can plan on $5.00 at the pump in the not far distant future if we are very lucky--$17.50 if we are not.

20 posted on 11/10/2001 5:38:59 PM PST by David
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