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NTSB Chief: Crash Probably Accident
Associated Press ^ | November 12, 2001 | By RON FOURNIER, AP White House Correspondent

Posted on 11/12/2001 11:30:52 AM PST by MeekOneGOP

Monday November 12 2:24 PM ET

NTSB Chief: Crash Probably Accident

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By RON FOURNIER, AP White House Correspondent

WASHINGTON (AP) - White House spokesman Ari Fleischer (news - web sites) said there were no unusual communications from the cockpit of an American Airlines plane that crashed Monday in New York. The head of the U.S. safety board said current information indicates the crash was an accident.

Fleischer said President Bush (news - web sites) was informed of the crash within minutes of its occurrence in a residential section of Queens, and that Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge hastened to the White House Situation Room to confer with other senior officials on a conference call.

At a White House briefing, Fleischer said the National Transportation Safety Board (news - web sites) had been named the lead investigative agency into the crash, in which an Airbus crashed shortly after takeoff from John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York. Marion Blakey, chairwoman of the NTSB (news - web sites), said, ``All information we have currently is that this is an accident.''

The crash triggered moments of intense concern inside the administration, struggling to cope with the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks and the anthrax outbreak that followed a few weeks later.

But initial information seemed to allay concern that the American Airlines crash was another bout of terrorism. Several administration officials, including some at the White House, said that based on preliminary information the incident did not appear to be a terrorist attack.

Blakey said the flight data recorder had been recovered and would be analyzed by federal safety experts. Fleischer said there had been no credible threats against airplanes in advance of the crash.

The White House spokesman declined to rule terrorism in or out as a possible cause of the crash but said he would not dispute the assessment of U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, who said there was no preliminary evidence of terrorism.

The airlines have taken a financial beating since the suicide hijackings of Sept. 11, and officials have worked to rebuild public confidence in the industry. ``The president continues to believe that people need to travel,'' said Fleischer.

An administration source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said preliminary reports led the FBI (news - web sites) to believe there was an explosion aboard the plane, and was investigating whether it was an accident, mechanical failure or an act of sabotage. Fleischer said he could not confirm the report.

``There have been, according to eyewitnesses, information that an engine was seen being detached from the plane and that it landed separately from the main body of the airplane,'' he said.

With the nation on high alert, a result of the Sept. 11 attacks, Fleischer said Bush was in the Situation Room, convening a national security meeting, when he was handed a note shortly before 9:30 a.m. that a plane had gone down.

Bush spoke with New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani (news - web sites) and Gov. George Pataki and ``expressed to both of them his deepest sympathy for the people of New York to be enduring any other trauma,'' Fleischer said.

The spokesman stepped to the microphones in the White House briefing room less than three hours after the plane crashed with 255 passengers and crew members aboard. Several eyewitnesses reported hearing explosions aboard the plane, and a piece of an engine came to rest outside a gas station in the Queens section of New York.

``There were no unusual communications with the cockpit,'' Fleischer said. He said investigators had not yet found the ``black box'' that records important in-flight information.

He also said Bush had dispatched federal investigators and search-and-rescue personnel to the scene.

New York area airports were closed in the wake of the crash, and federal officials briefly considered a nationwide shutdown. But Fleischer said officials did not intend to do that, and indicated the New York airports wouldn't be closed for long.

Bush postponed a scheduled interview with Russian and American reporters so he could monitor the investigation into the crash of Flight 587, which had just taken off from John F. Kennedy International Airport en route to the Dominican Republic. He meets Tuesday with Russian President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites), opening three days of talks in Washington and Texas.

Intelligence agencies, the FBI and the Federal Aviation Administration (news - web sites) were reviewing all recent intelligence for any signs that terrorism was involved but an hour after the crash there was no evidence pointing to an attack, said a U.S. official speaking only on condition of anonymity.

``They are comparing information to see if it provides any insight into what transpired. At this point, there's no indication of a terrorist attack, but it certainly can't be ruled out in current environment,'' the official said.

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White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer briefs reporters, Monday, Nov. 12, 2001, after an American Airlines jetliner, on its way to the Dominican Republic with 255 people aboard when it crashed moments after takeoff in New York City. Bush administration officials said the FBI believed there was an explosion aboard the plane, and was investigating whether it was the result of a mechanical failure or sabotage. (AP Photo/Doug Mills)


An FBI agent (L) holds one of the battered and dented "black box" flight recorders from American Airlines flight 587 in his lap as he removes it from the scene of the crash in a New York City police car November 12, 2001 in Queens, New York. An American Airlines Airbus A-300 passenger jet crashed while taking off from New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport. REUTERS/Jim Bourg


One of the battered and dented 'black box' flight recorders from American Airlines flight 587 lies on the ground beside a New York City police car as it is taken from the scene of the crash by an FBI agent November 12, 2001 in Queens, New York. Investigators quickly recovered the flight data recorder from the doomed jetliner and are transporting it to Washington for analysis. (Jim Bourg/Reuters)


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To: sinkspur
What you say is waayy too moderate and reasoned for this board today. My God, why do people want to believe the worst when there is no evidence to support that at this time!!

The sky is falling! The sky is falling! The government is lying to us! Get a grip, people.

21 posted on 11/12/2001 12:16:51 PM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: sinkspur
Not likely that this was terrorism. More likely that it was catastrophic engine failure

LOL!

Try telling that to the families of the dead.

New Yorkers can smell a con a mile away.

If your objective is to totally destroy commercial aviation, keep posting preposterous statements like that one!

Whoooooo!

22 posted on 11/12/2001 12:20:09 PM PST by Rome2000
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To: MeeknMing
I wonder how many times we will hear this word reported "as FACT" in the next 24 hour news-cycle (and I for one am not buying it sight unseen):

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23 posted on 11/12/2001 12:27:01 PM PST by SerpentDove
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To: SerpentDove
>>The sky is falling! The sky is falling! The government is lying to us! Get a grip, people.<<

On the contrary, unless you've had your head where it doesn't belong for the las few years, the government has lied and covered up (remember Waco, etc?)

Go back to sleep.

24 posted on 11/12/2001 12:29:40 PM PST by SerpentDove
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To: Time Traveller
>>Let's all call it an accident. It's plausible isn't it? It will infuriate Ben Laden if he is responsible. If another "accident" occurs next week, then the least of our worries will be looking foolish.<<

One simple reason: I've had it with bullsh*t. I don't DEAL in bullsh*t.

25 posted on 11/12/2001 12:31:02 PM PST by SerpentDove
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To: John H K
LOL! Good for you!
26 posted on 11/12/2001 12:36:24 PM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: SerpentDove
Why would terrorists blow up a plane full of Haitians when they had their choice of planes loaded with Americans?
27 posted on 11/12/2001 12:38:31 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Make that Haitians and Dominican's.
28 posted on 11/12/2001 12:41:19 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: sinkspur
But how do we know that the engine did not have help in failing catastrophically?
29 posted on 11/12/2001 12:42:14 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: Native American Female Vet; Rome2000; sinkspur; Trust but Verify; Pharmboy; Lumberjack; John H K...
Thanks for that great post there, friend!

Let me share something withyou all here.

A buddy of mine sent me an e-mail about this crash. Here it is:

HERE WE GO AGAIN !!
BET ITS A SAM. . .SURE LOOKS LIKE IT TO ME !
I JUST DUMPED LOTS OF STOCK. . .
I sent him back an e-mail asking him to be more specific as to why he suspected a Surface to Air Missile. Here's his reply:

PLANE'S MOTOR CAME DOWN IN A BOAT AT A GAS STATION - MOTOR HAS A HOLE IN IT ---- NOT THE BOAT'S MOTOR. . .
Here’s his last note he sent me a little while ago:

NOW I'M PRETTY SURE - 3 IN 4 CHANCE IN MY OPINION .
JUST HEARD AN EYE-WITNESS SAY HE SAW A SMALL EXPLOSION KNOCK THE
WING OFF .. MEDIA CANT SAY IT'S A SAM FOR FEAR OF A PANIC !
I'M TALKIN JUST A SMALL HAND HELD SAM SHOT FROM ONE'S BACKYARD...

This is a bit scary, folks. Anybody else seeing this same thing??? I just have a hard time believing this is a deliberate act, but sure wanna know. Please RSVP. Thanks!
30 posted on 11/12/2001 12:43:09 PM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: jwalsh07
Practice? (And I'm not being flippant.)

Conversely, if this is an accident and the engine did fail on its own, how do we differntiate between sabotage and something like American buying cheapie counterfeit airplane parts, maybe Chinese-made for example.

32 posted on 11/12/2001 12:45:35 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: SerpentDove
Now what was that again? Did you say this was an "accident?"
33 posted on 11/12/2001 12:45:39 PM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
I heard twenty eye witnesses this morning giving contemporaneous descriptions of whatr happened. Not one word about a SAM. Not even a hint.
35 posted on 11/12/2001 12:49:38 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Why would terrorists blow up a plane full of Haitians when they had their choice of planes loaded with Americans?

Agree that this doesn't seem like an obvious target. I know the Koran paints a pretty broad brush, commanding muslims to kill all Jews and Christians, but this plane doesn't seem like a particularly high-value target for the raghead contingent, unless it was just a target-of-opportunity for some random islamo in the ground crew.

36 posted on 11/12/2001 12:51:29 PM PST by Clinton's a rapist
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To: MeeknMing
>>Let's all call it an accident. It's plausible isn't it? It will infuriate Ben Laden if he is responsible. If another "accident" occurs next week, then the least of our worries will be looking foolish.<<

Read the whole post.

:-)

37 posted on 11/12/2001 12:51:42 PM PST by SerpentDove
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To: Rome2000
a terrorist has apparently succeded in checking a bomb aboard an airbus and killing 260+ people.

You're a hysterical idiot.

There is NO evidence that a bomb blew up that plane.

You can distrust the government all you want, but experienced airline people are all saying that catastrophic engine failure is likely, since these GE CF-6 engines have had problems for ten years.

38 posted on 11/12/2001 12:52:14 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: MeeknMing
Let me see if I have this right. Your e-mail buddy (who is not an eyewitness) is 75% sure it was a SAM, but NO EYEWITNESS reports seeing a SAM. Do you see a problem with this?
39 posted on 11/12/2001 12:53:23 PM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: sinkspur
How many airliners have exploded due to these CF-6 engines? That's sort of the bottom line on the prior probability of that explanation, isn't it?
40 posted on 11/12/2001 12:54:03 PM PST by Clinton's a rapist
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