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Mark of the Beast on Fast Track
11-17-01 | omenseer

Posted on 11/17/2001 5:11:48 AM PST by omenseer

Bush briefly discussed the ID card option with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, according to insiders. "I can tell you this, the president is very reluctant [to issue a national ID card]," a top White House source said on Sunday. "But we must look at all options." Just as House Democratic Leader Richard Gephardt [D-MO] says Congress should quickly move to open debate on security measures such as a national ID card. "We are in a new world," Gephardt said. "This event will change the balance between freedom and security." The Clinton Administration then extracted the various pieces from the various bills, two of which were illegally passed, and assigned the task to implementing a national drivers license (a clone of the European Union national ID card) to the National Transportation Safety Board. The internal passport will go into effect on October 1, 1999. In 1996 when Congress passed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act. certain guidelines found in Section 656 (b) of the act. Federal agencies will be required to prohibit the use of state drivers licenses beginning Oct. 1, 2000, unless they comply with the federal standards. The new licenses must use the Social Security number as the driver's license number, for example. The act also calls for digitized biometric information to be a part of each license, or "smart card." Former Secretary of Defense William Cohen said Americans will be forced to make "choices between security and civil liberties." NBC's Tom Brokaw said, "We're going to have to reconsider a lot of our freedoms because of our attack." Representive Frank D. Lucas (R-OK) said, "If we were going to be absolutely safe, we'd have to restrict people's freedoms to the point that it wouldn't be America anymore."


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To: woollyone
Both.
61 posted on 11/17/2001 8:13:47 AM PST by babylonian
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To: woollyone
Your people capitolize on fantasy and I am the mystical liberal?!!!!
You don't know me. Too bad you know your teachers more than your own Bible!!
62 posted on 11/17/2001 8:16:31 AM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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To: babylonian
Read Matt 23 and 24 and tell me how you came up with that. Revelation declared it to happen soon "...which must soon take place..." John declared the people of that day were already in the last hour. Hebrew declared it also and the spirit of the anti-christ also.

The language Christ used to tell of the Tribulation was used over again in the Old Testament prophecies but it always was a declaration of Gods judgement on Israel or a surrounding nation, which always took place within the generation of the prophet speaking it. Somehow you guys pull this same language, put on 21st century bliders and try to interpret this stuff. The best Biblical interpreter is the Bible itself. I expact the pattern continued for the Apostles as it was for the prophets; and the blood of the prophets was required on the heads of "those" Pharasees (as Jesus said in Matt 23).
63 posted on 11/17/2001 8:23:33 AM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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To: woollyone; NATE4"ONE NATION"
If you have not yet read "Figures of Speech Used In The Bible" by E. W. Bullinger, then I suggest you add it to your library.


Click for link

This outstanding work has stood for about a hundred years, virtually unchallenged in scope or scholarship. The seminal and definitive work in this field of study. Figures of speech are used throughout the Bible. It is unfortunate when they are interpreted literally.

64 posted on 11/17/2001 9:16:08 AM PST by Texas Yellow Rose
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To: omenseer
I believe there is demand to WORSHIP the Beast that goes along with this mark. This title is a lie.
65 posted on 11/17/2001 9:24:48 AM PST by mercy
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To: Texas Yellow Rose
I would absolutely love to check it out but I cannot get that link to work for me. Can you spell the address?
66 posted on 11/17/2001 9:36:49 AM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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To: MissAmericanPie
Oh .... very good. Something within me resonates with your words. Amen. Like someone else said here I'm a 'pan' tribulationist. Never has mattered to me. If I was guessing I'd spose that going through the tribulation 'in the body' would be the most likely scenario. My earthly spiritual father once said "What if the rapture takes place in the natural? ie all the Christians are taken out and shot?" Never forgot that. Somehow the US has to be taken out of the way for the anti-christ to come to power. Could be the core of the US is 'taken up'. Could be that the US is 'taken out'. Could be that we succumb to our own idolatry (although recent events seem to show a real revival so this is hard to invision).

I can't think that ommy's the anti-christ but I do think he is a fore-runner. Unless the end times prophecies have been misunderstod wholesale we will have to see much greater unrest in the ME than we now have. Is it right around the corner??? Or twenty years in the future???

67 posted on 11/17/2001 9:54:22 AM PST by mercy
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To: anniegetyourgun

Texas Yellow Rose

I have read and studied the Word, Jer - and after Rev. 3, I'm not here anymore. So, I don't worry about being forced to take the mark.
22 posted on 11/17/01 9:37 AM Central by anniegetyourgun

"Revelation 3:10, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." 

TEMPTATION...

Psalms 95:8 Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Matthew 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Mark 14:38 Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.
Luke 4:13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
Luke 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
Luke 11:4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
Luke 22:40 And when he was at the place, he said unto them, Pray that ye enter not into temptation.
Luke 22:46 And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation.
1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Galatians 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
1 Timothy 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
Hebrews 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Revelation 3:10-13, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

keep

5083 tereo {tay-reh'-o}
from teros (a watch, perhaps akin to 2334); TDNT - 8:140,1174; v
AV - keep 57, reserve 8, observe 4, watch 2, preserve 2, keeper 1,
hold fast 1; 75
1) to attend to carefully, take care of
1a) to guard
1b) metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is
1c) to observe
1d) to reserve: to undergo something

2334 theoreo {theh-o-reh'-o}
from a derivative of 2300 (perhaps by add. of 3708);
TDNT - 5:315,706; v
AV - see 40, behold 11, perceive 4, consider 1, look on 1; 57
1) to be a spectator, look at, behold
1a) to view attentively, take a view of, survey
1a1) to view mentally, consider
2) to see
2a) to perceive with the eyes, to enjoy the presence of one
2b) to discern, descry
2c) to ascertain, find out by seeing

2300 theaomai {theh-ah'-om-ahee}
a prolonged form of a primary verb; TDNT - 5:315,706; v
AV - see 20, behold 2, look 1, look upon 1; 24
1) to behold, look upon, view attentively, contemplate (often
used of public shows)
1a) of important persons that are looked on with admiration
2) to view, take a view of
2a) in the sense of visiting, meeting with a person
3) to learn by looking, to see with the eyes, to perceive

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68 posted on 11/17/2001 9:59:30 AM PST by Texas Yellow Rose
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To: NATE4"ONE NATION"
I wonder why... it worked for me. Here's the link.

http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/bookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?sourceid=00373900544625908269&ISBN=0801005590&bfdate=11-17-2001+13:07:54

69 posted on 11/17/2001 10:02:55 AM PST by Texas Yellow Rose
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To: NATE4"ONE NATION"
Nate,

You may just try clicking here http://www.fellowlaborers.com/bookstore/bullinger.htm

70 posted on 11/17/2001 10:05:11 AM PST by Texas Yellow Rose
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To: NATE4"ONE NATION"; oldglory
"The more the Hal Lindseyites take this stuff hyper-litteral, the longer Christians will remain in the minority in this nation!!"

Follow the "pop-culture religion" money. "Fear sells" books and tapes, and gets the biggest audiences glued to TBN, and other religious kook outlets. The outlandish, aberrant and heretical "ministries" are the ones that rake in the biggest "luv offerins".

The [shallow-minded] "useful idiots" spoken of by Karl Marx, aka the "suckers", spoken of by Barnum, are not just "used" by power/money hungry politicians and carnival barkers, they are also fodder for the charlatans in the religion "industry".

71 posted on 11/17/2001 10:17:05 AM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: Matchett-PI
#71
Absolutely Right
72 posted on 11/17/2001 10:19:01 AM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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To: Texas Yellow Rose
Thanks
73 posted on 11/17/2001 10:20:14 AM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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To: omenseer
BUMP
74 posted on 11/17/2001 10:23:09 AM PST by Aurelius
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To: 4wvueers
It may be at first, but the biblical language makes it clear that the mark of the beast, the number of his name, or his name in the hand or forehead is what condemns. That isn't a social security card.
75 posted on 11/17/2001 10:30:20 AM PST by DittoJed2
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To: omenseer
BIOMETRIC NEWS AT COMDEX
76 posted on 11/17/2001 11:07:15 AM PST by PaxMacian
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To: mercy
Ommy like Hitler is a warning of who is to come, they are examples and templates. We are told to watch, so I watch and this is what I see.

I don't know if it is 20 years or 100, I base that on the fact that people will seek death and it will flee from them. Pretty freaky situation when you can't die. Science is saying that the children of the babies born today will be able to pick out how long they want to live. So if this inability to die is a medical break through or supernatural remains to be seen. Also the anti-Christ is able to create a living image, this as a stretch, could be television, but I am thinking more along the lines of cloning or something of that nature that is in the distant future. These have to be either supernatural or medical break throughs we just don't know yet, we have to keep watching the puzzle pieces fall into place. I said last year or at the first of this year that things were going to begin to happen with such speed that we would not recognize America in ten years. Looks like I need to revise that downwards to six or less.

The world is going to undergo some huge changes. I think Russia and China will become our allies in the future, Russia for sure, and they will be sincere about it while still growing their military power. After the display of our power in the Middle East all nations will rethink their postitions in regard to us. It will be like all of mankind has awakened to a new era of enlightenment and cooperation. There will be trouble spots, but things are going to start looking up big time for globalists. The US may become as hooked on it's own powers of strength and pursuasion as a junkie on heroine. The oppression of the globalist government is not one that is physical so much as spiritual, the mentality of the hive, what is good for all is good for one, what is good for business is good for all. "There is a way that seems right to a man, but it's end is destruction". We are told the prophets of old would have loved to have seen this day, I keep telling myself that to reassurance myself that it is all under control while the world winds it's way to it's logical conclusion.

77 posted on 11/17/2001 11:32:18 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: DB
Getting a retnal scan is hardly accepting the "mark".

After this all takes place ,and they still still think they haven't done enough to invade our privacy,what's next?A rectum scan?

78 posted on 11/17/2001 11:51:57 AM PST by Uncle Meat
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To: NATE4"ONE NATION"
First off, I'm not certain what "teachers" you're speaking of. You make such a bold accusation about me and know nothing of me, yet defend yourself with the "you don't know me" comment. So, mr/ms smartypants...tell me all you know about my teachers...if you can...or shut up.

You sir/ma'am are an inconsiderate and ignorant ass. You've responded with nothing but sarcasm and then demand some respect? You have forgotten that "knowledge puffs up" and you Mr/ms. pufferfish are a fine example of how Christians are not to behave.

It's one thing to read the Bible, it's another thing to live the Bible. Your lack of Biblical character refutes your words.

79 posted on 11/17/2001 12:01:27 PM PST by woollyone
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To: woollyone
Please ... get a grip. You have taken this way too personally.
80 posted on 11/17/2001 12:35:52 PM PST by Texas Yellow Rose
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