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Prayer Warriors Fight Church-State Division
The New York Times ^ | 11.17.01 | John W. Fountain

Posted on 11/18/2001 4:35:27 PM PST by victim soul

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AAAmen.AAAAAAAAAAmen. AAAAAAAAAAAmen. Amen. Amen.
1 posted on 11/18/2001 4:35:27 PM PST by victim soul
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2 posted on 11/18/2001 4:38:14 PM PST by Khepera
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To: wwjdn; He Rides A White Horse; RnMomof7; George W. Bush; Weirdad
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3 posted on 11/18/2001 4:40:37 PM PST by Khepera
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Wonderful mews!!! God Bless America!
4 posted on 11/18/2001 4:46:17 PM PST by wwjdn
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To: victim soul
Get out of the government schools! Exodus! The government schools are the problem -- not just their Godlessness.
5 posted on 11/18/2001 4:49:01 PM PST by WriteOn
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To: Khepera
Wonderful article, Khepera.
7 posted on 11/18/2001 4:51:06 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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Nothing fails like prayer... Or maybe Allah is the one true God, and the prayers of fantatical, fundamentalist Muslims were answered on September 11... Or maybe, doing something other than standing around mumbling to a being that (if he exists) answers prayers the way he wants to and not the way humans want him to... Maybe actions like churches raising more money for education in maths, science and english for underpivilged communities... Maybe actions like the church putting its time and effort into providing a real future for these children by pressing local business to provide more traineeships and jobs...maybe this could be helepd by a campaign for local people to support hose businesses that were assisting the people... God (assuming he exists) helps those who help themselves - and his plan will go ahead regardless of what you pray for. I like the dance troupe, however - inspire some creativity. I suspect, however, that the Christian nature of the group will keep many kids who might have been helped by it away...
8 posted on 11/18/2001 4:51:16 PM PST by David Gould
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To: victim soul
Bump
9 posted on 11/18/2001 4:52:30 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: Khepera
Personally, I'm sick and tired of the ACLU and their ilk and their relentless assaults on my faith. It's high time to counterattack.
10 posted on 11/18/2001 4:54:17 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: JA
What is your point? If I beleive in God I have no right to talk?

Or is it only your viewpoint that counts?

11 posted on 11/18/2001 4:56:47 PM PST by wwjdn
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To: David Gould
Tell you what...I'll say a prayer for you, good buddy.
12 posted on 11/18/2001 4:57:22 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Khepera
As for a previous discussion:

There are those that say works are un-necessary for salvation, and that is not Biblical. Here is one of the references I found:

James Chapter 1: (vs 16-27)

16 -Don't be deceived, my dear brothers.

17 -Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.

18 -He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.

19 -My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry,

20 -for man's anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires.

21 -Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you.

22 -Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.

23 -Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror

24 -and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like.

25 -But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it--he will be blessed in what he does.

26 -If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless.

27 -Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

Thereore, works do matter, according to the Bible.

13 posted on 11/18/2001 5:01:27 PM PST by wwjdn
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Poor Fellow, you obviously do not know the True and Living God. All those things you described are fine but none of them reach the deepest part of the person which is their spirit. Only God can help the spirit which is in need of his Spirit. It is from the deepest parts of our being that we are truly able to be happy and whole. You want to put the cart before the horse. The Bible says seek ye first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things shall be added onto you.
14 posted on 11/18/2001 5:04:13 PM PST by Bellflower
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To: David Gould
It is sad to think that you believe prayer is about gaining economic gifts from God. Yes, he will bless you if you have faith in Him and ask Him to bless you. But, if you ask for a 25% return on your IRA, I think that's a non starter.

Nothing fails like an atheist without a clue.

15 posted on 11/18/2001 5:12:43 PM PST by Lowcountry
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To: David Gould
I will pray that you at least seek some answers to your doubts. If you truly seek Him, you will find Him. As with any relationship, you must get to know the other. Please open your mind and heart. And don't look for the bad in this, prayer changes things. I would like to suggest you read two books from Lee Strobel. He was a Yale law school graduate who later bacame an investigator reporter for the Chicago Tribune. When his wife started attending church in chicago, he mocked her as they were avowed atheists. He decided to use his investigative reporting skills to prove to her she was wasting her time in prayer and at church. His years of research are published in two books- The Case for Christ and The Case for Christ. Lee Strobel, despite his years of atheism is today a changed man....and I'll let you read about what happened on his journey. These are life changing books! Blessings to you David.
16 posted on 11/18/2001 5:15:25 PM PST by Faithfull
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To: He Rides A White Horse
I love your freeper name. And your response to David Gould was almost as good as your name. Blessings to you too ...see you in the air!
17 posted on 11/18/2001 5:17:32 PM PST by Faithfull
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To: Faithfull
His years of research are published in two books- The Case for Christ and The Case for Christ.

Two books with the same name?

foreverfree

18 posted on 11/18/2001 5:19:21 PM PST by foreverfree
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To: Faithfull
Thanks, friend.
19 posted on 11/18/2001 5:20:28 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: victim soul
Prayer has the power to move mountains! Pray when happy, pray when sad, pray when needs arise but mostly pray without ceasing! God knows what we need before we ask BUT He DOES want us to ask. Jesus stands at the door and knocks, will you let him in? PRAY!
20 posted on 11/18/2001 5:24:12 PM PST by teletech
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