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A Possible Solution to the Harry Potter Problem
marbren

Posted on 11/25/2001 10:07:37 AM PST by marbren

My pastor did a nice job this morning in giving some perspective to the Harry Potter phenomenon we are all facing. The Law states the evil of witchcraft (check Deut 18:10-12). Anyone who is into this lifestyle is on a straight path to hell. Those who do not know Jesus can be easily misled by the Satanic lure of Harry Potter. I was squirming in my seat as he spoke about the Satanic background of Harry Potter and how we should avoid anything that is evil and does not glorify Jesus. I have 2 beautiful girls who have read Harry Potter and my older daughter has seen the film. My wife and I have both read all the books and we intend to see the film with our younger daughter. We both enjoy the books and are waiting for the fifth one to come out. My mom has been on the "Harry Potter is evil" bandwagon for about a year now. I have had frank discussions with my daughters about what is wrong with Harry and how real world witchcraft is straight from hell. I might point out here that those of you who do not believe in real Satanic forces in this world are probably in for a rude awakening. After this Law lesson our Pastor switched to the problem of legalism which is also very easy to fall into. If you think about it, anything that does not glorify Jesus is a waste of time (Football, Golf, Star Wars, Monsters Inc. etc.). If you take legalism to its extreme we should all be Amish. Lets face it we are part of this world so is Harry Potter. A good compromise might be to talk to your children and enjoy the special effects of the movie and the fantasy of the books. Help your children to separate fantasy from reality and Satan from Jesus. P.S. Those of you who don’t know Jesus WATCH OUT !!!


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1 posted on 11/25/2001 10:07:37 AM PST by marbren
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To: marbren
So, what's wrong with the Amish lifestyle?

It's not my lifestyle, but in many ways, I envy them.

2 posted on 11/25/2001 10:12:10 AM PST by realpatriot
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To: marbren
Solution: QUIT TALKING ABOUT HARRY POTTER. Get a life, move on. Duh.
4 posted on 11/25/2001 10:14:47 AM PST by vladog
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To: marbren
We just told the kids that Harry Potter was a make-believe story with all kinds of neat trick photography and we all enjoyed it......kinda' like the old Star Wars junk.
Religion never came into it.
5 posted on 11/25/2001 10:15:30 AM PST by KirklandJunction
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To: marbren
This sounds like something straight out of a Puritan sermon. Repeat after me: Harry Potter is NOT the Devil's Front Man. Harry Potter is no more dangerous than Casper the Ghost. Harry Potter is not a celebration of the Black Arts, a lure to satanism, or Volume II of the Necronomicon.

Good. Now take a Valium and get some rest.

6 posted on 11/25/2001 10:17:00 AM PST by IronJack
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To: marbren
P.S. Those of you who don’t know Jesus WATCH OUT !!!

Thanks for the warning. What are we wathcing out for?

7 posted on 11/25/2001 10:18:22 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: marbren
Staying away from satanism and witchcraft is not legalism. And football, if played with the correct mindset, can glorify Jesus. Football is spiritually healthy. Withccraft is not.
8 posted on 11/25/2001 10:18:47 AM PST by southern rock
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To: marbren
A Possible Solution to the Harry Pooter Problem

The only problem with Harry Pooter is our society has become so void of anything resembling culture, people think this is good stuff.

Harry Pooter falls in the same category as many other fantasy entertainment.

More money in Hollyweird pocket

9 posted on 11/25/2001 10:23:40 AM PST by JZoback
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To: marbren
That flying motorcyle at the beginning is the most Satanic of all, we all know that real witches spells create flying motorcycles. In addition, its been known for years that real witches can create train station platforms between the real train station platforms. Real witches also have paintings with comical inhabitants that move around in them and act silly. Real witches have silly candy that are like jelly-bellys only gross. And one of the books even has dancing in it.

But then, there is some snake handling involved, so thats a plus.
10 posted on 11/25/2001 10:25:37 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: southern rock
Staying away from satanism and witchcraft is not legalism.

Good grief. Satan makes no more of an appearance in the HP books than he does in Tolkien or Lewis or the Wizard of Oz. That's the point about legalism.

11 posted on 11/25/2001 10:27:07 AM PST by Exigence
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To: IronJack
or Volume II of the Necronomicon

Hate to tell you, but the Necronomicon and Cthulhu are fiction also. I learned that at Miskatonic University back in the 60's.
12 posted on 11/25/2001 10:27:44 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: marbren
For what it's worth, my mother was in line for the opening showing of Harry Potter (in costume no less!). One of the other people in line was a six-year old boy who had already read all four books three times. But it wasn't a Harry Potter book he was reading in the line; it was C.S. Lewis, the Chronicles of Narnia.
13 posted on 11/25/2001 10:30:42 AM PST by NovemberCharlie
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To: JZoback
The only problem with Harry Pooter is our society has become so void of anything resembling culture, people think this is good stuff.

Harry Pooter falls in the same category as many other fantasy entertainment.

Now we have folks knocking fantasy? Fantasy is hardly a new or useless genre. There are many classic works of fantasy, including the Arthurian treatments.

Also, let's not forget that the audience for these books is children. Don't go measuring it against War and Peace.

Plus, not everything has to be "high culture." Whadda ya got against plain ol' fun?

14 posted on 11/25/2001 10:33:12 AM PST by Exigence
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To: southern rock
Football is spiritually healthy

That's why the graduation rates are so high you know.
15 posted on 11/25/2001 10:34:07 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Arkinsaw
That's why the graduation rates are so high you know.

Reminds me of a cartoon I saw once that had two old scholarly looking profs talking. The punchline: Maybe some day we'll have a university that our football team can be proud of.

IMHO, I'd much rather have my kid reading HP than playing football -- and I have nothing against football. Watch it myself (when I don't have to listen to Dennis Miller to do so).

16 posted on 11/25/2001 10:37:28 AM PST by Exigence
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To: marbren
how we should avoid anything that is evil and does not glorify Jesus.

So I take it, you don't vote Republican, then?

17 posted on 11/25/2001 10:37:29 AM PST by DAnconia55
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To: realpatriot
No FR!
18 posted on 11/25/2001 10:41:58 AM PST by Nataku X
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To: Exigence
Now we have folks knocking fantasy?

You think HE's nuts?

Look at comment 4h on THIS thread... Guy thinks 'The Hobbit' and 'Star Wars' are about pedophilia.

FR LUNATICS Speak up...

19 posted on 11/25/2001 10:42:20 AM PST by DAnconia55
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To: Exigence
I report - you decide:
Revelation 22
 
 12.  "Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.
 13.  I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
 14.  "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
 15.  Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
 16.  "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you  this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
 17.  The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
 18.  I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
 19.  And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Now; shall I trust YOU guys, or God's Word?
20 posted on 11/25/2001 10:43:08 AM PST by Elsie
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To: Elsie
That`s what Bin Laden said to his followers was it not?
21 posted on 11/25/2001 10:46:51 AM PST by vladog
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To: Elsie
those who practice magic arts

What about pretend and sleight of hand? I know several Christian "magicians" who do shows for kids at VBS and church camps. But, then, that is not as classy or "high cultured" as football. LOL

22 posted on 11/25/2001 10:47:12 AM PST by Exigence
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To: realpatriot
We once lived in Amish Country.....if you're a man, it's great.....women are not treated with respect.......I'm not a FemiNatz by the way...just lived there long enough to see their ways. EXAMPLE: 8PM Friday Night in December of 1987 Winter Storm in full swing......doorbell rings...it's the Amish furniture maker at the door...unannounced...we were shocked with the weather....but understood with their no telephone policy....YET DELIGHTED to get our living room tables, sofa, and chairs delivered so unexpectedly. My husband dons his winter coat and says "Here, let me help you !" but the Amish guy tells him no thank you he has his own help...goes outside and tells his help to carry the items inside.....man comes in, sits down and chats with us.....next thing we know two 40ish women lift in the furniture... Amish dude refuses to allow my husband to help them...also fails to help them...asks us where we want him to tell them to set things in the room.......the women are standing there but he has to give the directive....we ask them to sit down...man orders them into their buggy (with attached furniture wagon) Amish dude chats awhile longer leaving the women in the blizzard....for about 15 more minutes.....he finally leaves and Hubby tells me " Boy I bet you're glad to be married to me and not one of them!!....I'm a prince compared to that dude!"
23 posted on 11/25/2001 10:51:39 AM PST by Kmavp6728
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To: DAnconia55
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24 posted on 11/25/2001 10:52:20 AM PST by Elsie
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To: Arkinsaw
Hate to tell you, but the Necronomicon and Cthulhu are fiction.

Yeah, right. Next thing you're going to tell me Lord of the Rings and Santa are too.

25 posted on 11/25/2001 10:52:58 AM PST by IronJack
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To: DAnconia55
You think HE's nuts?

Look at comment 4h on THIS thread... Guy thinks 'The Hobbit' and 'Star Wars' are about pedophilia

I believe it. I went to grad school with a classmate who thought *everything* she read was about lesbians. Welcome to the world of postmodernism.

26 posted on 11/25/2001 10:53:31 AM PST by Exigence
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To: Elsie
I do not exist!

If you think Santa and Satan are the same, seek professional help... quickly!

BTW, ever heard of a fellow named *Saint* Nicholas?

27 posted on 11/25/2001 10:56:05 AM PST by Exigence
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To: Exigence
I know several Christian "magicians" who do shows for kids at VBS and church camps.
...and thbe kids are just FASCINATED aren't they?!

But, does he EVER say it's because he has 'special powers' that they don't have?
Things to be gotten by 'wishing' really hard?
Things conjured by saying special words? (and if you're speaking: to whom?)

28 posted on 11/25/2001 10:57:29 AM PST by Elsie
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To: IronJack
Harry Potter is no more dangerous than Casper the Ghost

Casper, Star Wars, etc. didn't not advocate witchcraft. Some posters have said that they enjoyed Star Wars, even though it advocates atheism. I would suggest that they re-examine that "enjoyment".

My twelve-year old has gone from reading about horses to devouring Harry Potter.

When some of our kids are twenty-five, into their nth relationship and spiritually lost, we might be able to figure out why. We never lead by example. We never separated good from bad.

What are parents doing reading five Potter books. Do you have anything else useful to do?

Scoff if you will: this is a serious issue.

Religion alone does not provide the reason. It's not just about a lack of Jesus. It is largely a warped and anti-social cultural perspective from which witchcraft was spawned and which witchcraft perpetuates.

29 posted on 11/25/2001 10:59:53 AM PST by Kennard
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To: Elsie
15.  Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

Sounds like New York to me!

30 posted on 11/25/2001 11:00:53 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
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To: Kennard
didn't not

CORRECTION: didn't

31 posted on 11/25/2001 11:02:01 AM PST by Kennard
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To: IronJack
But I thought that casper the ghost was just a way to get satan into your homes by means of a cute little ghost, remember anything that is not of god is of satan, its so black and white you make the decision!
32 posted on 11/25/2001 11:02:40 AM PST by Ordie 1
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To: marbren
Compromise with those who glorify the devil is always a dead end street. If you want to be free of the effects of the compromise, stay away from anything to do with Potter, Ouija boards, tarot cards, etc. Please. I say this as one who knows whereof I speak. The devil has his kingdom, just as God does, and he uses any tool he can to draw people into his snares. This is not a harmless thing. It is not something to idly fill one's mind with as a fun amusement. It is more than flirting with the occult. If you want to be pure and stand before Jesus with a clear conscience now and at the day of reckoning, have zero tolerance for harry potter.

Focus on the Family has resources to help sort this out; info is available on their web site as well as by ordering books they offer there. The Elijah List also recommends strongly against involving one's self in it. Look for the November message from Steve Schultz on this, at their web site. Or I can FReepmail it to anyone who asks.

33 posted on 11/25/2001 11:07:48 AM PST by GretchenEE
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To: marbren
Compromise with those who glorify the devil is always a dead end street. If you want to be free of the effects of the compromise, stay away from anything to do with Potter, Ouija boards, tarot cards, etc. Please. I say this as one who knows whereof I speak. The devil has his kingdom, just as God does, and he uses any tool he can to draw people into his snares. This is not a harmless thing. It is not something to idly fill one's mind with as a fun amusement. It is more than flirting with the occult. If you want to be pure and stand before Jesus with a clear conscience now and at the day of reckoning, have zero tolerance for harry potter.

Focus on the Family has resources to help sort this out; info is available on their web site as well as by ordering books they offer there. The Elijah List also recommends strongly against involving one's self in it. Look for the November message from Steve Schultz on this, at their web site. Or I can FReepmail it to anyone who asks.

34 posted on 11/25/2001 11:08:35 AM PST by GretchenEE
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To: Exigence
"If you're a REALLY good little boy or girl, Santa will bring you lots of gifts!
But if not, you'll get a bundle of switches!"

"The Easter Bunny brings lots of good times for kids to eat or play with!"

"If you trust in Jesus, he will take you to Heaven!"


Years later.............
"(Hmuph! The Tooth Fairy turned out to be Mom; Ol' Easter Bunny was the big guys hiding stuff around and Santa turned out to be just Dad. Now then, tell me one more time: 'Why should I believe in the GOD that I can't see or feel or touch?'")
35 posted on 11/25/2001 11:09:07 AM PST by Elsie
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Sorry for the double post - FR gave a message that the page was not accessible when I hit "POST."
36 posted on 11/25/2001 11:09:45 AM PST by GretchenEE
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To: Elsie
But, does he EVER say it's because he has 'special powers' that they don't have?
Things to be gotten by 'wishing' really hard?
Things conjured by saying special words? (and if you're speaking: to whom?)

Elsie, dear, most kids understand that the man is just pretending. Just as they understand that HP is pretend. The ones who don't get it are too little to understand the concept of magic and so aren't being led "astray."

I'm so sorry you don't understand that it is all pretend. (And, if you quote nuttiness from that Onion article to me now, I'm gonna throw up.)

The main point is that not all Christians agree with you, and you have no business condemning those of us who come to other thoughtful conclusions. It simply isn't your job. *g*

37 posted on 11/25/2001 11:09:53 AM PST by Exigence
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To: KirklandJunction
We just told the kids that Harry Potter was a make-believe story with all kinds of neat trick photography and we all enjoyed it......kinda' like the old Star Wars junk. Religion never came into it

We explained to our kids the underlying theology behind Star Wars before we viewed said movie. Exhorted them to enjoy the movie, and to be inspired to do better in service to our God than Mr. Lucas did in service to his.

I'm on HP III myself, now. They seem to be comic books without pictures, day-glo art in words. After a while, you just want to read the Bible and talk with real people in order to relish the richness of reality. I suspect the HP books could push borderline schizophrenic kids over the edge ... but intend to make sure my younger two kids meet Mr. Potter when they are mature enough.

38 posted on 11/25/2001 11:10:08 AM PST by TomSmedley
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To: Elsie
"...those who practice magic arts..."

(pssst, Elsie! Harry Potter is make believe, he does nothing....)

39 posted on 11/25/2001 11:11:11 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Elsie
Why should I believe in the GOD that I can't see or feel or touch?

If you can't explain this, Santa Claus or no, then *you* have a much bigger problem than fantasy. Anyone with a personal relationship with JC should be able to handle this question with conviction and ease. It was certainly no issue with my four munchkins.

40 posted on 11/25/2001 11:12:40 AM PST by Exigence
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To: Exigence
BTW, ever heard of a fellow named *Saint* Nicholas?

Yep. He was skinny and pugnacious. Encountered Arius once, and pounded the cr@p out of him, according to one old account. My kind of saint!

41 posted on 11/25/2001 11:14:19 AM PST by TomSmedley
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To: GretchenEE
Compromise with those who glorify the devil is always a dead end street.

No one is glorifying the devil. If it feels that way to you, don't read it. But, don't try to be the spiritual conscience for all other Christians either. Connie Neal has a good book to help you make the distinction.

42 posted on 11/25/2001 11:15:27 AM PST by Exigence
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To: Ordie 1
Kids are devouring these books over and over again. Many will turn to the dark arts of Satan (which are promoted in the books according to exwitches on TV which say keep away). The web sites link to satan and wicca sites. If there was ever a thing to keep your kids away from, this is it. Would you have him/her lose their soul over silly books teaching witchcraft?
43 posted on 11/25/2001 11:16:44 AM PST by Cowgirl
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To: TomSmedley
My kind of saint!

All of the really cool saints are tough -- right after the image of JC tossing the moneychangers out of the temple.

44 posted on 11/25/2001 11:16:50 AM PST by Exigence
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To: Exigence
Plus, not everything has to be "high culture." Whadda ya got against plain ol' fun?

Me thinks you read way too much in my post.

I am a big fan of Tolkien. I plan to be the first one to see LOTR in Demember.

I guess my point was Harry Potter is just entertainment. The amount of media time spent on this "entertainment" would make you believe we just invented the wheel.

46 posted on 11/25/2001 11:20:50 AM PST by JZoback
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To: DAnconia55
Don't get people started: I remember a guy at my church, back when I was in the USAF, who claimed Superman was blasphemy, and that Batman and Robin promoted homosexual relationships. . .
47 posted on 11/25/2001 11:22:39 AM PST by Salgak
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To: Cowgirl
Many will turn to the dark arts of Satan (which are promoted in the books according to exwitches on TV which say keep away).

You *do* realize that we've heard this before. It was supposed to happen with the Narnia books and the Tolkien books. Christian Charles Williams' darker books were supposed to do this. As was Star Wars and L'Engle's books. Dungeons and Dragons was supposed to cause this. Now HP.

Starting to see a pattern here with being reactionary? If we keep crying "wolf," who will believe our real message?

48 posted on 11/25/2001 11:22:39 AM PST by Exigence
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To: marbren
Help your children to separate fantasy from reality and Satan from Jesus.

Satan is one who demonizes things....

Nuff said.

49 posted on 11/25/2001 11:23:16 AM PST by pcl
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To: JZoback
I am a big fan of Tolkien. I plan to be the first one to see LOTR in Demember.

Okay. I take it back. *g*

50 posted on 11/25/2001 11:25:05 AM PST by Exigence
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