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Osama bin Laden is Already Dead (In Depth Opinion Piece)
Posted on 11/28/2001 4:13:44 PM PST by HighWheeler
Osama bin Laden is Already Dead
By Highwheeler at freerepublic.com
In the weeks since the terrorist airliner hijackings and the subsequent attacks on the WTC and Pentagon, both U.S. military and U.S. political strategies have been slowly revealed. Not every piece of information was overt and obvious to the casual observer about these operations. While certain pieces of information were outwardly and proudly proclaimed, most were the carefully and heavily edited bits of information that still remain the most interesting. I am talking about the sporadic information that was missing, retracted, or just puzzling in its nature. This thesis is a compilation of the real data, real press released information, and extrapolations created about that missing, retracted and puzzling data. These data are then used to build conclusions on the events in the war against Afghanistan leading to the conclusion that Osama bin Laden is already dead.
As you read this keep these ideas in mind: 1) These are actual public-domain facts tempered with my opinion based on logic, history, technology, and human nature. 2) Please dont jump to your conclusions until you have read the whole column, it is a fairly complex analysis and summary of events, and 3) some of the pieces of information are obvious but still necessary in order to completely draw the conclusions.
Objectives of the U.S. War on Terrorism:
- The U.S. does not want to bring Osama to the U.S. for any kind of trial, it would make the OJ trial look like a neighborhood bake sale.
- We do not want to create a martyr out of Osama.
- We want to destroy Osamas influence by killing him.
- We want to disassemble the entire terrorist network, both physically and financially.
- Destroying the entire terrorist network will take years to finish, and should be done by first removing the head.
Strategies required to reach U.S. Objectives:
- Immediately freeze and acquire all possible terrorist related asset accounts in the world, removing the financial fuel of terrorism as much as possible, and to severely restrict the free flow of any remaining capital or assets.
- Identify, round-up, and investigate all known terrorist suspects in the U.S.
- Use heavy bombing in the first few hours on targets that are of special interest or high value to the terrorists to maximize the destruction, and to minimize the effect of their defensive response.
- Begin physical elimination of terrorists and terrorist locations once the most critical targets have been identified.
- We must kill the leader, Osama bin Laden, as soon as possible.
- We must leave no witnesses, no time, no date, no place, nor a body with which to associate the demise of bin Laden. If we did:
- It would create a rallying point for the terrorists, and
- Notify the terrorist organizations that a new leader is required immediately to fill the newly vacant position.
- May trigger pre-planned acts of terrorism as a direct response to the demise of bin Laden.
- Over the past 8 years (while Clinton was fostering and/or ignoring terrorism, or making the U.S. look weak in the eyes of terrorists) the FBI and CIA had been keeping fairly close tabs on known terrorists both here in the U.S. and abroad. (substantiation below)
- We have satellites and other above-ground-level vehicles that can actually read the brand on a pack of cigarettes laying on the ground, and can also clearly view minor temperature variation such as body heat in the IR spectrum and use night vision technology. There was a full moon on October 2, 2001, 5 days before the initial attacks in Afghanistan, which would have made night vision extremely useful. (Readily Available Technology Theorem)
- That the CIA has been in constant contact with planted terrorist operatives in Afghanistan before and during the bombing of Afghanistan. (James Bond Theorem)
- Osama has become the hero of the taliban, and as such, the terrorists look at him with reverence and admiration, and want to be at least near him, even if they can't sleep in the same cave. (Bask In The Heros Reflected Glow Theorem)
- An intelligent person would not create a huge risk by demanding something that they were not prepared to accept or really didnt want. (Be Careful What You Ask For Theorem)
- That there is actually no honor among thieves. (Jimmy Hoffa Theorem)
- Over 140 known US terrorists were taken into custody within 4 days of 9-11. Since then there are now 604 "detainees" in U.S. hands. This means that the FBI/CIA has been keeping track of terrorists.
- Over 300 worldwide financial asset accounts were frozen well within 2 weeks of 9-11. This also means we have been keeping track of terrorists to some degree.
- We spent almost a month in "strategery" before the first attack on Afghanistan. 26 or 27 Days depending on how you count, to be exact.
- Saturation bombing of the terrorists and their facilities started on Oct 7.
- On or about Thursday, Oct 11, 2001, less than 7 full days after bombing started, George Bush-43 stated during a press conference in no uncertain terms that he would "halt air strikes" if they handed over Osama bin Laden. The Taliban response was "Our jihad (holy struggle) . . . will continue until the last breath for the defense of our homeland and Islam" Which really didnt address Bushs offer to "halt air strikes" if they would turn over bin Laden. http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/central/10/13/ret.taliban.rejection/index.html
- On October 25, 2001, USA Today reported that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld had said that we might never catch Osama bin Laden. http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/oped/tucker/01/binladen.html When asked about this later in the day at a press briefing, the Secretary backtracked. Under pressure from reporters, he said "I think we're going to get him."
- The strategy Rumsfeld was initially employing was designed to create the illusion to the terrorists that Osama is still alive, that our intent is not necessarily to kill him, and to create a sound reason for the US to continue the campaign against terrorism.
- The only options for dealing with bin Laden that still meet all 5 Objectives and Strategy #6 above are to:
- kidnap Osama undercover, take him out to sea, tie a big brick to him and kick him overboard. This is too risky since there would likely be many witnesses.
- Kill him on the spot or after his capture when found. This leaves even more witnesses, a body, possible videotape.
- Kill him and coincidentally bury him in a cave along with all nearby witnesses.
- The Talibanis would give up Osama if they could actually find him. Turning him over to the U.S. would produce four desirable outcomes from the Talibans point of view":
- It would force Bush to keep his word to "halt air-strikes" in Afghanistan (or severely jeopardize or cripple his authority by reneging on his offer), and
- It saves the remaining terrorist network, and
- It would royally screw up the U.S.s politically correct judicial system for years and years, and
- They would be eligible to receive the $1B or $25M bounty (depending on which offer you believe) currently on bin Ladens head. They can always use the money to continue terrorist activities and save their own lives and network in the process. Of course, this conclusion assumes that the Talibanis are not complete idiots, a poor assumption for sure, but does not diminish the other conclusions in anyway.
- In his press conference, Bush would have been certifiably out of his mind to publicly state that he would "halt air strikes" in exchange for Osama unless he was knew there was ABSOLUTELY NO WAY bin Laden could be handed over. This proposed deal, if enacted by the Talibanis by actually handing over bin Laden, would have violated all 5 U.S. Objectives of the War on Terrorism, plus violated the last 3 Strategies of the War.
- Using a ground offensive instead of the airstrikes to capture Osama is dangerous, obvious and slow, therefore it creates a low probability of successful capture of Osama. Disposal of the evidence is still a big problem with a ground offensive. This would also create at least some American witnesses to his demise, and violates Strategy #5. The information would leak out eventually.
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Osama was probably killed in the saturation bombing in the initial strikes. The statement Bush made on October 11 was very puzzling, considering that he is man of his word, and that only a month earlier he said the elimination of terrorists and their network would take years to complete. Yet he laid it all on the line with his offer.
I have an idea how this was all militarily executed in the first strike, and why it took almost a month to commence, and I may post it after a while.
I thought this was the desire some weeks back, too (to nail him and we'd just never find out, which is still possible) - however, my opinion changed in the last week or so. 1st because of the impressive fashion that we've waged this war it's now far better for us to nail 'em than not (whereas that was a different case than before, as you outline). At this point we should get 'em and that'll help weak-kneed coalition members gain some strength. Lastly, as far as him being dead at this point, I don't agree, because of the large number of witnesses around Jolalabad that had seen him in the prior week's time.
posted on 11/28/2001 4:24:23 PM PST
by Steven W.
It's a reasonable argument, and you may be correct. I think some of the points are weak, however. I agree that Bush was confident that the Taliban would not hand over Bin Laden, but that could have been based on what was clear to everyone at the time--that the Taliban were not about to give up on that point. It wouldn't have been in character with what we had already seen of them. They had plenty of chances earlier, and they refused to do it.
Moreover, although some of the tribal leaders have been willing to switch allegiance at the drop of a hat, that isn't true of the real fanatics. They are still showing that they are willing to die for the cause.
I am more inclined to agree with your general evaluation. We have been assuming that Bush would want to produce Bin Laden's body, but as you say there may be advantages in having him simply disappear. If he is already dead, there are also advantages in not saying so until after the whole country has been mopped up. He is a useful bogie to placate weenie-whiny liberal newspersons with. In fact, although he did nothing about the problem, it was clinton who first made bin Laden infamous, demonizing him in the clintonoid media, as had earlier been done with Saddam. So Bush already had a liberal-certified liberal demon to deal with, and that made it awkward for the press to complain.
posted on 11/28/2001 4:30:06 PM PST
To: Steven W.
I think the "witnesses" who have seen him may be a ruse. If he is deep in the mountains as thought, word of his whereabouts would be slow to make it to the rest of the world.
He is an obvious person, and if there were actually sitings of him, he would also be seen by U.S. operatives and seen by other technological means.
I think the first 26 days were spent narrowing down his previously vaguely known position. I think the saturation bombing in the first days took him out.
To: Steven W.
I was struck by the Bush Press Conference in October (the one where the Presidential podium was at the head of the long hallway in the White House) in which he seemed supremely happy and confident. I remarked to my wife at the time that he looked and sounded like a man who had just won a big victory. I wondered at the time if we hadn't gotten bin Laden then.
However, mitigating against this is the lack of rumours about it. If we had gotten him, somebody within the terrorist ranks or the Taliban either knows or suspects it. They would have no incentive to keep quiet it about it.
So, you may be right, there is evidence for and against your theorem.
Here you go.
I believe I was the first on FR to call him "Elvis bin Laden." He will be seen in Somalia, which will then have the crap bombed out of it. Then the Philippines. And so on.
posted on 11/28/2001 4:36:11 PM PST
To: Robert A. Cook, PE; Billie
Please review, thanks.
You got it! He'll be spotted slithering over rocks in downtown Baghdad about Jan 19, 02. Ka-bloom!!
To: Travis McGee
What do you think?
posted on 11/28/2001 4:49:25 PM PST
I agree with most of your evaluation, however the one problem you have is the interview with the Pakistani journalist on Nov 7 or thereabouts, with photo evidence. Could that have been a lie? Probably, but not likely.
To: Steven W.
I don't agree, because of the large number of witnesses around Jolalabad that had seen him in the prior week's time.
But remember that it's been reported that bin Laden has at least 10 "doubles." These sightings could have been of any one of those guys, done to throw everyone off the trail.
I've been thinking along the lines of HighWheeler's argument for some time now. The fact that it's also been reported that we want DNA samples from bin Laden's female relations, to enable us to positively identify any remains we might find, also leads me to suspect this theory is correct. It tends to imply that we already have these remains, and want to make sure we didn't just blast one of his ringers to hell.
I've been dying to ask this. Did anyone see Bush's speech in the Rose Garden the other day? The one where the two rescued international relief workers spoke?
I thought Bush seemed cranky that day. He seemed all hopped up on anger, or impatience, or something. He was snapping at people, and could barely contain himself. Did anyone else notice that?
The bigger question is, what's up? What would put him in such a cranky mood?
How do you explain the interview he gave, and the Al'Jazeer videos. Although the first one was probably filmed before the bombing started wasn't there a couple more taped after the airwar started?
posted on 11/28/2001 4:59:21 PM PST
Dead! I keep thinking of those thousands of Afghans crawling over those hills looking for Osama because of the $25 Million offer. Can't help LMAO at the thought! Let's raise the reward to a round $BILLION! The whole country will look like an aunt hill.
posted on 11/28/2001 5:03:56 PM PST
"However, mitigating against this is the lack of rumours about it. If we had gotten him, somebody within the terrorist ranks or the Taliban either knows or suspects it. They would have no incentive to keep quiet it about it. "
Exactly.. The terrorists would love to portrait him as their martyr. It would give them something to rally around. This is a very well written piece of Bravo Sierra
posted on 11/28/2001 5:04:13 PM PST
posted on 11/28/2001 5:04:25 PM PST
To: Citizen of the Savage Nation
I don't think that photo had a dated object in it such as a newpaper with a headline showing evidence of the actual photo date. If I were a photojournalist who wanted to become famous for a day, I would pull out an unpublished file photo of him and claim it was taken yesterday.
Photos are easily doctored anyway. I would like to see a video of him describing details of very recent events as proof of his existence.
You have to carefully evaluate these "pieces of evidence". Look for him to talk in undeniable detail about a recent event, or hold up a London Times from yesterday. I don't think we will ever see this.
There is a weakness in your argument relative to the "OJ Trial" theorem: Do you think that the Al-Queda operatives really understand the nuances of the American legal system and the culture from which it sprang? I don't. Therefore, I don't agree with your fear that Osama might suddenly be turned over to us in order to create the mother-of-all-circus-trials..
Another case in point concerning the cultural disconnect: Why should the Taliban make deliberate targets of Western journalists? It makes no sense in light of the Vietnam experience. The only hope for the survival of the Taliban regime is to make it politically impossible for the US to prosecute the offensive. The just made it a heckuva lot easier on Bush by offing those journalists. It's gonna make it a lot harder for Geraldo to second-guess Bush strategy. Western journalists are a potential ally to be wooed, not dragged from a pickup truck and shot like some rabid dog.
posted on 11/28/2001 5:11:06 PM PST
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